Hi Jay, that’s too bad IE ate your post, I would have enjoyed reading it.

When “John Lear’s Moon Picture” (LO-2-162H) was originally posted on ATS I asked NASA for a high resolution scan of that image and got one back that was 1.5 larger than Lear’s copy (scanned at 600 dpi) and lo and behold it showed the same “anomalies” even though it was obviously made from a different photographic reconstruction of the archived LO telemetry data… that would tend to debunk his theory that he somehow obtained a “unretouched” copy.

If you’re interested in seeing my copy for comparison just Google “picture of the century” and it should return a link to my web site (neverworld dot net) as the top result. (I would post a link but I wanted to avoid the posting delay)

Interestingly the management of ATS was not interested in hosting my 29 MB copy of the image for comparison as they did Lear’s (long story, I was banned and all 450 of my posts and threads deleted) but fortunately Alan Boyle was kind enough to post a link on his Cosmic Log blog on MSNBC just in time for the 40th Anniversary of the image in November of 2006... however apparently even then none of Lear’s supporters were able to find it.

Also, it should be noted that Lear’s allegedly “retouched” copy of LO-5-155M (not H as you indicated above) is just one of a series of photos (e.g. 5-150 to 5-157 both M and H corresponding to the simultaneous images taken by the 80 mm and 610 mm lenses respectively) of Copernicus crater from that mission. Some fairly high resolution scans of the images are now available at the USGS Astrogeology Lunar Orbiter Digitization Project web site for comparison.

To date Lear and his supporters have not risen to my challenge to cross check the “anomalies” in these other images as I indicated beginning on page 158 of the now 200+ page thread on ATS. (my account on ATS was eventually reinstated by the owner nearly a year later sans my posts but then I was banned again last year for bring critical of Lear… I called him ignorant about why it takes so long for the Space Shuttle to dock with the ISS)

In regards to Lear’s theories in general one might notice that Lear has recently started a thread called Did the Space Shuttle Atlantis Cancel Because of the Scrutiny Generated on ATS?… simply unbelievable.

You find that only this sounds ludicrous? How about a through f and h-i? Jay's pretty much covered everything.A popular form with musical composers is called Theme and Variations. Variations on a theme are the only difference between JL and RCH, both of them being mystical composters.

Be leery of anything Leary claims.

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Wouldn't that be a successful manned lunar program? The Soviets had a well-developed manned lunar program during the 1960s/early70s which, however, was unsuccessful.

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The way ATS plays blocker for Lear, defending him by silencing others despite a lack of evidence for his accusations is just disturbing. There's a conspiracy if I ever saw one. I hope he persists in claiming that "ATS scrutiny" (ie, Lear himself) was responsible for delaying 122, and in fact I hope that when 122 launches he makes the same old claim of secret space station stops. I plan to see how far ATS will go to defend Lear by photographing the space shuttle sitting all by its lonesome self during the time before docking when Lear claims its visiting other locations. I want to see if the contradictory evidence I generate is ignored and even banned like yours. If conspiracy theorists consider it a "badge of honor" to get banned here for ranting without answering questions then I would consider it a badge of honor to get banned from their forum like you for trying to answer questions lol.

...Lear has recently started a thread called "Did the Space Shuttle Atlantis Cancel Because of the Scrutiny Generated on ATS?"… simply unbelievable.

Agreed -- many conspiracy theorists thrive on a highly inflated sense of their own relevance. Conspiracism is, in some cases, merely a search for undeserved importance. Sadly, I long ago wrote off ATS as one of several self-congratulatory forums where pseudoscientists can withdraw from the facts and build their imaginary castles (or space stations) in the sky without fearing that reality might intrude. I would be very surprised if anyone at NASA pays any attention at all to ATS or John Lear.

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You know this guy is staring to sound a lot like another favourite idiot we know who likes to play on shielded sites and make up outragous things about photos. Perhaps Mr Lear is a plant too?

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Perhaps Mr Lear is a plant too?
You mean a fern of the family bogussi-bolognia?

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He was a L1011 pilot for ATA airlines, and from my understanding (I'm in the biz), he was fired. Pilots very rarely get fired, unless its something nasty.

I could be wrong, but I feel a whole lot safer with him on the ground

Wouldn't that be a successful manned lunar program?

In my way of thinking it depends on the scope of Lear's claim. Were the Soviets supposedly in on the lunar mining in the 1960s? Or was this strictly an American thing? If only the Americans were allowed to shovel He-3 with the space aliens, then the Soviet manned lunar program doesn't count, successful or not.

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Yeah, it would be a matter of permissions. Ironic that the Americans would be card-carrying members of the aliens' union (Local 384,403 of the Intergalactic Brotherhood of He-3 Mineworkers) whereas the Soviet Union would not.

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If you ask me folks like John Lear who hasn’t had an original thought of his own since well… I don’t know when… are there for one reason only… to create controversy. Controversy creates clicks and clicks make money… lots of it according to Mark Allin (aka “Springer”), one of the owners. I once asked Mark on another forum (Reality Uncovered) if the reason he made John Lear a “Conspiracy Master” and gave him his own forum after Lear called him a drunk and was banned from ATS was because he appeared on C2C afterwards and plugged ATS… in effect free advertising. Mark’s answer was absolutely not… they had spent nearly $100,000 for advertising on C2C. I’m not buying it but that told me everything I needed to know about ATS…

Excellent, looking forward to it. I think you’ll probably be OK… I blame my charming personality and superior interpersonal skills. At best you will be simply ignored and the thread will continue ad infinitum, at worst you will be insulted in various stereotypical and unimaginative ways. It’s all good…

Of course whatever you do don’t try to introduce logic and reason into the equation and be aware that they don’t have a sense of humor… avoid sarcasm like the plague. After all CT is very serious stuff… it has played a vital role in shaping our world throughout history has it not? Do you know how many times it’s been proven that everything we know is wrong? Me either…

Yes well thank you but I’m afraid it’s somewhat of a dubious honor… I’m mean how stupid do you need to be banned 3 or 4 times (I lost count) from a conspiracy web site where (in theory) anything goes?

in·san·i·ty – noun
Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

If you Google John Lear, you will find he said there were aliens in Area 51, secret underground bases with aliens in Dulce, New Mexico, and elsewhere, secret meetings with aliens, JFK killed because of knowledge about aliens, and so on and so on.

Controversy creates clicks and clicks make money… lots of it...

That's the secret to a lot of entertainment disguised as informative or talk programming. If someone says something that everyone already knows and agrees with, why bother tuning in? Attention is drawn to the abrasive personalities and the oddball opinions and claims. Nobody goes to the circus midway to see ordinary people. They go to see five-legged goats and the bearded lady.

That fits hand-in-glove with the motivations of some conspiracy theorists: the ones who fear obscurity and are willing to be talked about badly as long as they're talked about. The appearance agreements with the media outlets absolve the outlets of any legal liability for what's said; the outlet merely provides the platform and gathers in the advertising revenue.

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That's the secret to a lot of entertainment disguised as informative or talk programming.


Jeez ain't that a fact

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And that will teach you to be careful of who you Google!

tbm

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Yes indeed.

The images show the same "anomalies".

I see no challenge propossal on your post in page 158....

Your site is copyrighted in 2006.

© Copyright 2006 Thomas G. Duffey. All rights reserved.

Did you obtain the pictures before of after the ATS moon thread started ? (13/09/2006)

So, the images were uploaded in your site, in November 2006, after the ATS thread started.

You are saying that Lear or his supporters never just asked Nasa for the pics?

You were banned and all your 450 pots and threads were deleted, then why i am reading all your posts perfectly? Or you are saying that the posts and threads of your first banning were deleted? I see banned members´posts and threads from long before your banning and they are present, not deleted.

Same as above.

Why don´t you provide this info in an ATS thread or similar?

You can create a new account and start a new thread, accussing the ATS staff of this "conspiracy to make you silent" that you are stating, why don´t you do that?

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Keep reading the thread… I said beginning on page 158.

As I said in my post, after.

I don’t know if they did or didn’t but I did and I offered the owners of ATS an exclusive on it in exchange for hosting it on ATS for me (as opposed to on my personal web site) in order to protect my privacy. I figured they hosted John Lear’s copy of the image so why not mine? This offer was refused and when I announced on ATS that I had a better copy and it was refused I was banned in this post here by the owner of ATS Mark Allin (aka “Springer”)…

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/single/2552629.html

Oh really, where?

This is all documented by the way in much more detail including the r