He did… on ATS. A few prone to the power of suggestion and wishful thinking see mining equipment... the rest of the world sees a barren yet strangely beautiful alien world. Go figure...

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That is probably the case.

He is a better pilot than a photo analyst.

Even without the technicalities , it just seemed to me that this whole Hoagland/Lear business made no sense because it was my impression that the objects they claim to see are nowhere near resolved enough to make such audacious claims; reminds me of Lowell and his Martian "canals". Does anyone know, have any very clear images of man-made objects on Moon/Mars (lunar dune buggies, Mars rovers) been imaged from space such that they are unambiguous (that is, you could tell what they were without doubt if you didn't know what they were from these space images)?

Unbelievable, the whole premise for his forum is based on incompetent understanding of the technical details of his photos and circular logic.
If I started a forum, I would at least understand in detail all the technicalities of my photos and how much resolution they had before I ever proceeded .

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I think the most confusing thing about CT'ers is what makes them tick?, I mean what IS their main motivation, abject stupidity, financial gain or Warhol's 15 minutes of fame....

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But you're sure the astronauts are lying; you just don't seem to know what they're lying about. jayutah

I think it depends a great deal on the CT. Some of them are in it for the cash. Some, I think--I Am Not a Psychiatrist--are mentally ill. Some are plain ignorant. Some like believing that they know something Ordinary People don't.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Well, they don't all have the same motivations. Many fit into one (or all) of the above. I've said before that it would be interesting to study the CT psyche from a psychological standpoint (I'm sure you can find some studies that have already been done). But really you have to approach each as a case-by-case basis.

I think part of the human experience is wanting to believe there's something more. (Don't want to ignite a taboo powderkeg here, but) Religion is a prime example of that. And stories of the paranormal, and UFOs. We want to believe because it's exciting to believe.

Also there's a feeling of empowerment when you can take a supposedly super-powerful organization, and be the individual who is instrumental in bringing them down. Most of us want our lives to have meaning, and I suspect some of these people feel this gives their lives that meaning.

A lot of the fringe people just don't care enough either way. I didn't know they were out there to the extent they were (but I was probably one of them until I took an interest in the subject). One day I was talking about some half-baked theory from the boards here, and my friend said "Yeah, but isn't there some pretty good evidence that the moon landings might have been faked?". He's an inteligent guy too. After recovering from the initail "what did you just say?!" moment, I asked what evidence he thought there was. It was the usual "flag blowing" type stuff, which I took time to explaine to the best of my abilities, and he was basically like "well, yeah. that makes sense". It's just, he's heard these things, but never cared enough to look into them. And there's lots of people like that too...though for that reason they tend to not be the ones posting in CT message boards.

And as you mentioned, the allure of "fortune" and "fame" can be a big factor too. And some people are just chronic liars...they seem to get kicks out of fooling people. In those cases, I suspect it just makes them feel smarter if they can dupe others. But anyone can lie. Practice enough and anyone can lie well. Doesn't make you smart. Just makes you a liar.

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Theory of Zombie Relativity:
1) Everyone Else is a Zombie relative to You
2) Whether or not it matters is related to the inverse square of the distance between their teeth and your brain
(Quoted from Demigrog)

He's an inteligent guy too

That is the scary bit, for me!!


are mentally ill

I have often thought this about some.

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But you're sure the astronauts are lying; you just don't seem to know what they're lying about. jayutah

Well, as established, I think a lot about mental illness and always have. Some of the behaviour patterns of some of the people we've seen can only be explained two ways--mental illness or someone yanking our collective chain. At least one person has gone too far along the delusion to be a chain-yanker. But we've seen the delusions of grandeur, the persecution complexes, and so forth. If you actually believe that literally thousands of people are lying, that all the evidence of whatever-it-is was planted, and that they're going to get you because You Know the Truth, that's bordering on schizophrenia, and you need to have that looked at.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

You forgot unconditional hatred of the US (or at least it's governments).

I once worked with a guy who wholeheartedly believed the earth and universe(which was geocentric ) was circa 2000 years old.

He enjoyed nothing better of a weekend, along with his wife and two daughters(7&9) than going door to door peddling his own brand or religious dogma, and the real ball crusher for me was this idiot was the financial director of the organisation.

Intelligence and stupidity are strange bedfellows indeed.

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But you're sure the astronauts are lying; you just don't seem to know what they're lying about. jayutah

We have their equivalent in the UK also.

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But you're sure the astronauts are lying; you just don't seem to know what they're lying about. jayutah

For images of the artifacts left on the Moon by Apollo, right now we don't have the required resolution either on Earth, in Earth orbit, or lunar orbit. But we soon will have the last.

For Mars, we have unambiguous images showing the rover tracks as well as the rovers themselves, although the latter aren't resolved enough to provide details of the MERs. Instead the locations of anomalous pixel clusters in relation to the tracks let us know that those are the rovers.

But this would be just pounding Martian dust, as any HB worth their hollow Earth salt mines would then claim the images were fakes.

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May I ask how he arrived at that particularly figure?

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It was something to do with the birth of Christ.

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But you're sure the astronauts are lying; you just don't seem to know what they're lying about. jayutah

This is good news. When they finally get really high res. images from lunar orbit, the public will easily be able to see that Lear/Hoagland claims have been as nonsensical as Lowell's martian canals. Hopefully that'll settle that issue.

Or will it? Maybe Lear/Hoagland will claim NASA is "retouching"? There is no satisfying those people.

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Yes, and sometimes I fear that C2C thrives partly because of a dumbed down public, that is my major fear. But who knows, maybe if C2C aired in 1950s, just as many people would have tuned in then too.

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Yes, it's sad. He sounds reputable/interesting, but when you analyse his content, it is totally ludicrous. I can't understand how an excellent pilot (which would be very technical) cannot see through the nonsense he's spouting.

I've heard him on a roll, saying some sensible things, then suddenly he concludes the interview with cartoon-like nonsense. It reminds me of that scene in "Ghost and Mr. Chicken" movie where the witness is testifying sensibly. Suddenly, the prosecutor asks "where was your last meeting" and he responds "on Mars" .

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"fifty is nifty" , unknown poet

Let's not forget the mild panic caused by Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds" broadcast in 1938. People have always believed some pretty silly things...and are frequently ready to kill for that belief.

We are an interesting species.

To say the least...

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