They had a guest on C2C on Friday Jan 25,2008 that made a claim about the moon landings. Alex Jones said that he was told by a NASA employee that worked there during the moon landings that the pictures had to be faked because the film couldn't make it through the Van Allen belts. He said that they did make it to the moon eventually and that some astronauts had died on the moon. What do you think of that!

I think it's a load of utter bollocks.

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The Russians sent film through the Van Allen belts to get the first pictures of the far side of the moon in 1959.

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Hmmm....It would depend on the film. Sensitive film would have had problems but less sensitive (daylight) films would not. I don't remember the details but it was just low speed film used by NASA on the moon. If this kind of film can survive in my camera after passing through an airport X-ray machine, I think they could survive the radiation belts. I would not be surprised if NASA took the extra precaution in shielding the film packages/cameras.
As for the dead astronauts, did we receive any names? If you have a name, you can see if it is true. People do leave paper trails and an astronaut dying would be able to be determined.
As with all conspiracy theories, we are left with I know somebody who knew somebody who should have knonw that this was true. What do I think of that? Utter nonsense. Provide facts (things that can not be disputed) and not wild-*** rumors if you want people to believe this kind of garbage.

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Nobody knew about the Mercury 13 women.

Not even wrong.

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It's pretty well known that astronaut Col. William 'Hawk' Hawkins died on the moon. He was a hero and his sacrifice will not be forgotten.

I had to go look that up. A number of women were put through the same medical tests as the male astronauts. 13 of them passed and have become known as the "Mercury 13". They were never astronauts and never received any astronaut training. It wasn't a big secret, just not widely publicized.

Here's an article by James Oberg:
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/869/1

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Alex Jones said that he was told by a NASA employee that worked there...

Well I was told by someone at C2C that Alex Jones doesn't know what he's talking about.

(See all the silly second-hand claims you can make when you don't feel like actually naming your sources?)

Anyone can claim anything on the basis of a vague, anonymous source that can't be verified or disputed. That's why it's not evidence.

...the film couldn't make it through the Van Allen belts.

The Van Allen belts don't expose a spacecraft passing through them to any more radiation that it would get in a medical chest x-ray. Film survives that and more. Several spacecraft were sent to the Moon by both the U.S. and the Soviet Union that used film-based imaging systems.

Nobody knew about the Mercury 13 women.

Of course they did; that's how we know about them today. Now, forty years hence, they're little more than a footnote to the space program. That doesn't mean they were a secret.

A lot of people try to point to things that were previously unknown or little known as support for some new fantastic claim. As with all such claims, the difference between your phantom castaway astronauts and the Mercury women is that there's actual evidence for the latter.

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I just can't figure out how his body landed intact on the surface. You must admit that was weird. A (pardon the pun) dead give-away for alien intervention.

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"He must have soft landed."

Don't tell the HBs that! They'll scream and rant until they use up the oxygen in the room.

The figure you give would be for normal, ie, non-solar flare type conditions, yes? I imagine during heavy solar activity, the amount goes up. Yes?

In any case, given that the film was in a metal box, the radiation wouldn't have harmed the film anyway.

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I love that.

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The figure you give would be for normal, ie, non-solar flare type conditions, yes? I imagine during heavy solar activity, the amount goes up. Yes?

There are lots of variables; so no, the figure isn't always exactly as much as a chest x-ray. But that's the ballpark.

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In any case, given that the film was in a metal box, the radiation wouldn't have harmed the film anyway.

As a matter of fact, the original specifications for the still cameras were to have them survive 600 rads (roughly equivalent to sunbathing on a nuclear test range). It doesn't say whether the latent image on the film was expected to survive under those conditions -- and I doubt it would -- but that's the sort of thing NASA was thinking about.

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Film is tough. Ask anybody who works at National Geographic.

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If my extremely limited knowledge of the VanAllen belts is correct, they consist of ions spit-out by the Sun and trapped by the Earth's magnetic field. I'd guess these would be electrons and protons, and helium nuclei for the most part.

Does photographic film react to such particles, or is it only sensitive to the electromagnetic variety of radiation?

I'd appreciate some clarification by those folks in the group who actually know about this kind of thing

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Knowing a NASA employee must be like knowing a CIA or SAS agent. Can you imagine the stuff they'd spew out after consuming a couple of bottles of Shiraz.

Indeed. It never seems to occur to the conspiracy theorists that someone might just be pulling their leg.

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