Hello all, Now I know this is a very tired subject, and i wouldn't post it if it wasn't for my countless hours searching these past weeks! Now, I like you all and hope those of you who care will at least look for yourselves and decide. I ran into some more crappy, same old same old, Niburu conspiracy theories and the like, but then somethings after researching I found were from some credible sources. Now, I don't want to bore you guys, i just want and hope you look into it yourselves and decide if you want to prepare or not. Did you know in 1983,4 Nasa found a strange object with 4 to 8 times Earth mass using IRAS(orbital infrared telescope), at the edge of our Solar system and nothing has come from it since. Except in 1992 a small report in USA weekly(i think that was the name), the same object was again reported. But NASA has been hush hush ever since, and for good reason i believe. Nibiru, (IMO) is not some planet that is full of annunaki or whatever, but actually a BROWN Dwarf. A failed star. It has been documented in the bible, ancient sumeria, and is even probably the cause of Atlantis. The Mayans have described it and even plotted its inevitable return. Of course that would be 2012. Now, This would cause all types of Earth changes having a Brown Dwarf pass to the inner reaches of our solar system, heating up the planet and causing many solar storms as it draws nearer and nearer. And as we know with Highly Elliptical Orbits, when its closer to the body its orbiting around, it speeds up, which will probably explain its approach in 5 years completely out of nowhere(OR IS IT?). To my understanding scientist and astronomers have written articles about being blind sided by comets and even in some posts on this forum have astronomers stating they are more worried being blind sided by a comet then anything. NASA( and prominent Russian Scientist) were searching for Planet X, because something was disturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune pulling them down in the elliptical plane. The point is that the Brownie will come from underneath (Southern Hemisphere) and most of everything down there is of course, water. I know we have some members who are from Australia and New Zealand, so if you guys could get an infrared telescope and search for an infrared object DO SO! (I know you can't even get close to an infrared.) But, in all seriousness, I believe our government and most other governments know of this event and are taking steps to ensure the survival of the species. That being said, they can't save everybody. To be honest i hope this is all a crock of <inappropriate language removed>... but i'm not gonna worry, because for one i'm in the military, and # 2, i don't want to believe it until it happens. But i will prepare( no harm in that right). IF you want any further insight, please check out on liveleak video, Surviving Planet X and 2012. Theres many others but this must have been the most well done, of course look into Sumeria, and the Bible.

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Search this forum for Niburu and Planet X and you will find that this is all complete nonsense.
Search for 2012 and find the explanation that this is just another doomsday story - the Maya calender does not end on Dec 21, 2012, just another cycle begins. This is not more important than the y2k nonsense - we all survived quite well.

G'day! Love your avatar.

snippety snip...What was the source of this information? Did you check it out for yourself, or are you assuming everything you've mentioned is correct?

So you say this object was visible to people who lived about 4000-5000 years ago? Just checking the numbers here.

Hmmmm. The Greek philosopher Plato was the cause of Atlantis. No one recorded the name before him, and although many people claim to have found it, there really is no evidence for it existing beyond Plato's description.

Reference please?

A brown dwarf would need to pass very close to the Earth to heat it up. They simply don't produce a lot of heat.

Well, we can do some calculations, thanks to the laws governing the motion of orbiting bodies developed by Johannes Kepler and Sir Isaac Newton. If the Sumerians recorded the passage of this brown dwarf 4000-5000 years ago, and it's due to return in 4 years (not 5, remember, it's already 2008), then it's already going to be really close - well within the orbits of the outer planets. So it's hardly going to be coming completely out of nowhere.

That's true. But the reasons we're blindsided by comets explain why we're not going to be blindsided by a brown dwarf. Comets are a lot smaller than brown dwarfs. Comet core < 100 kilometres across. Brown dwarf > 100,000 kilometres across. That alone is going to make them screamingly obvious in the sky. Secondly, comets are made of ice, and so very cold. Brown dwarfs are failed stars, but still generate some heat. That also is going to make them stand out in the sky.

Put simply, a brown dwarf already closer to the Sun than the outer planets is going to stand out like proverbials - it's larger than Jupiter, much brighter than Jupiter, not much further from the Sun than Jupiter, and it's moving across the sky. Virtually anyone pointing a telescope into the sky is going to spot that.

Reference please.

Putting my hand up.

What about someone in South America or southern Africa? Remember, the entire southern sky is visible from everywhere in the southern hemisphere.

Pardon? There's some embargo on selling them, is there?

How good do you think governments are at keeping secrets? Anyway, don't you think amateur astronomers might have spotted Brownie, given what Brownie's characteristics must be? Do you think they're all keeping the secret too?

It is.

Well, I might have a look, but if your source of information turns out to contain silly mistakes, prepare to be mocked.

One other point. The Solar System is about 4.5 billion years old. If Brownie orbits the Sun every 4000-5000 years, that means it would have passed through the Solar System about a million times. Something the size of Brownie would leave very obvious traces, such as in the orbits of the planets. Instead, the planets are behaving as though nothing serious has affected their orbits for the last few billion years.

Well, I warned you. Prepare to be mocked.

1. I'm guessing you didn't check the information in those videos against any external source. If you had, you'd have found out that the object supposedly found by IRAS was later determined to be nothing to do with our Solar System.

2. An object of 4 to 8 Earth masses can't possibly be a Brown Dwarf. That's way too small. I'll let you do the research to determine the mass of such an object compared to the mass of Jupiter. Remember, Jupiter is too small to be a Brown Dwarf, so anything smaller than it also can't be.

3. Planet X can in no way be responsible for global warming on Earth. If it's as far away as the outer planets at the moment, and it's a lot cooler than the Sun, then it's too far away to heat the Earth. Anyway, if it was, there'd be evidence of heating on all the other planets, and there isn't any such evidence. Global warming here on Earth is caused by human actions, by natural processes of the Earth, or a combination.

Conclusion: You can safely ignore the content of the video, even if the narrator once had something to do with science on CNN.

My collection grows:

2003 no, 2012 si
2012
End of Mayan Calendar
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don't have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Pole shift idea origins
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
So what will we see in 2012?
Galactic Tsunami?
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
2012?
Any truth to this?
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
Planet X Official Advertisement
What year are we in
Quick question about the sun
Galactic Alignment
Books of 2012! -
2007 = 2012
Return of Planet X By Rand
Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
Toutatis 4179: 2012?
Galactic Alignment in 2012 ?
Solar Storms
A real prediction!
NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER

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Dude. Paragraph breaks are your friends, man. They make it much easier for people to read your posts.

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It really is quite disturbing to watch this meme grow. Is it all from Nancy? OK, so 2012 was always going to have some doomsday scenario attached to it, that's a given, especially after 2000 didn't kick off, but would Nibiru or Planet X have had anything to do with it if Nancy hadn't started her cult? How many people would still find the meme credible if they knew it was created by a borderline psychotic who thought she received messages from aliens through an implant in her head?

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We'll just add that to the list of "grammar things that really bother me," shall we?

Honestly, when encountered with a post like that, some of us don't even bother reading all of it, because it's stuff we've heard before, and generally, it was presented better last time.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

I noticed on one of the videos which the OP directed us to a reference to a book called the Kolbrin Bible. Wikipedia had nothing about it, but Google had many references to a book which was half supposedly ancient Egyptian wisdom and half Celtic Druid wisdom. Has anyone heard of this book before? It sounds like it's a book written in the last couple of years but purported to be from times past.

Who are these credible sources?

Please provide some references (and please, no claims from a Planet X site). By the way, what would a "4 to 8 times" Earth mass object have to do with a brown dwarf? Jupiter has over 300 times the mass of Earth. The low end mess for classification of a brown dwarf is around 12 or 13 times the mass of Jupiter. In short, a brown dwarf would have thousands of times the mass of Earth.

Oh, good. Please provide its orbital elements. If it is plotted, there should be no difficulty seeing it in a telescope.

No, five years is a short time. If it is in orbit, that puts some constraints on it. It cannot be moving at solar escape velocity, or it would only pass by once. And a brown dwarf would be painfully obvious. It would be the size of Jupiter, but much hotter.

That depends on how you prepare. Anyway, I'm not going to worry about this issue because I've yet to see any credible evidence, and physically, most of the claims I've seen don't make sense.

Well, that certainly sounds like a credible resource. I think I'll wait until there is something that could actually be verified.

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The Leif Ericson Cruiser

It's actually a parmesan encrusted giant meatball that will herald the coming of the Flying Spaghetti Monster who will reward all the good Pastafarians with new pirate hats and eye-patches.

Yarrrr!

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Indeed, I didn't bother reading that "wall o' words" either.

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

Hello all, Now I know this is a very tired subject, and i wouldn't post it if it wasn't for my countless hours searching these past weeks!

It is a tired subject, and searching without discriminating is a waste of your time.

Now, I like you all and hope those of you who care will at least look for yourselves and decide.

Already done. Repeatedly.

I ran into some more crappy, same old same old, Niburu conspiracy theories and the like, but then somethings after researching I found were from some credible sources. Now, I don't want to bore you guys, i just want and hope you look into it yourselves and decide if you want to prepare or not.

Sorry, but you did not find anything from "credible sources". Just more "crappy, same old same old" conspiracy sites.

Did you know in 1983,4 Nasa found a strange object with 4 to 8 times Earth mass using IRAS(orbital infrared telescope), at the edge of our Solar system and nothing has come from it since. Except in 1992 a small report in USA weekly(i think that was the name), the same object was again reported.

No, IRAS did not find such an object in our solar system.

But NASA has been hush hush ever since, and for good reason i believe.

The good reason is that there was no such object.

Nibiru, (IMO) is not some planet that is full of annunaki or whatever, but actually a BROWN Dwarf. A failed star.

No. A brown dwarf is hundreds of times larger than Earth. You have just contradicted your own story.

It has been documented in the bible, ancient sumeria, and is even probably the cause of Atlantis.

No. Brown dwarfs have not been described in ancient times; they had no knowledge of such things. And "Atlantis" is a myth.

The Mayans have described it and even plotted its inevitable return.

Neither did the Mayans. Of course, if its return was "plotted", than you can provide its orbital elements, hmmm? What are they, exactly?

Of course that would be 2012.

Of course, that is wholesale conjecture without evidence.

Now, This would cause all types of Earth changes having a Brown Dwarf pass to the inner reaches of our solar system, heating up the planet and causing many solar storms as it draws nearer and nearer. And as we know with Highly Elliptical Orbits, when its closer to the body its orbiting around, it speeds up, which will probably explain its approach in 5 years completely out of nowhere(OR IS IT?).

Flat wrong. If it was "5 years away", it would already be making its presence known.

Of course, five years from now is 2013, not 2012. Why is it my five-year-old can do the math, but not the "credible" sites you are parroting?

To my understanding scientist and astronomers have written articles about being blind sided by comets and even in some posts on this forum have astronomers stating they are more worried being blind sided by a comet then anything.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the so-called "Nibiru".

NASA( and prominent Russian Scientist) were searching for Planet X, because something was disturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune pulling them down in the elliptical plane.

No. That has nothing to do with the "Planet X" you are talking about.

The point is that the Brownie will come from underneath (Southern Hemisphere) and most of everything down there is of course, water. I know we have some members who are from Australia and New Zealand, so if you guys could get an infrared telescope and search for an infrared object DO SO! (I know you can't even get close to an infrared.)

First of all, the last two lines contradict each other.

Second, you don't need to be in Australia or New Zealand to observe southern sky objects. I could observe the southern sky from Arizona when I lived there.

Third, such an object would be an easy visible light object.

Fourth, there's no such object.

But, in all seriousness, I believe our government and most other governments know of this event and are taking steps to ensure the survival of the species. That being said, they can't save everybody. To be honest i hope this is all a crock of <inappropriate langauge removed>...

It is.

but i'm not gonna worry, because for one i'm in the military, and # 2, i don't want to believe it until it happens. But i will prepare( no harm in that right). IF you want any further insight, please check out on liveleak video, Surviving Planet X and 2012. Theres many others but this must have been the most well done, of course look into Sumeria, and the Bible.

The most well-done of them are delusional ravings of the scientifically illiterate. In that, they are indistinguishable from the least well done of them.

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I can only refer to Velikovski who seemed to have something right after all. Plus there does appear to be some evidence of various disturbances around the Earth.

What would that be? I assume you are referring to Immanuel Velikovsky, who got a rather amazing number of things wrong.

"Disturbances" is rather vague. What specifically are you referring to, and what is the relevance to the subject of the thread?

And, I see this is your first post, so, welcome to BAUT.

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