Hello all, Now I know this is a very tired subject, and i wouldn't post it if it wasn't for my countless hours searching these past weeks! Now, I like you all and hope those of you who care will at least look for yourselves and decide. I ran into some more crappy, same old same old, Niburu conspiracy theories and the like, but then somethings after researching I found were from some credible sources. Now, I don't want to bore you guys, i just want and hope you look into it yourselves and decide if you want to prepare or not. Did you know in 1983,4 Nasa found a strange object with 4 to 8 times Earth mass using IRAS(orbital infrared telescope), at the edge of our Solar system and nothing has come from it since. Except in 1992 a small report in USA weekly(i think that was the name), the same object was again reported. But NASA has been hush hush ever since, and for good reason i believe. Nibiru, (IMO) is not some planet that is full of annunaki or whatever, but actually a BROWN Dwarf. A failed star. It has been documented in the bible, ancient sumeria, and is even probably the cause of Atlantis. The Mayans have described it and even plotted its inevitable return. Of course that would be 2012. Now, This would cause all types of Earth changes having a Brown Dwarf pass to the inner reaches of our solar system, heating up the planet and causing many solar storms as it draws nearer and nearer. And as we know with Highly Elliptical Orbits, when its closer to the body its orbiting around, it speeds up, which will probably explain its approach in 5 years completely out of nowhere(OR IS IT?). To my understanding scientist and astronomers have written articles about being blind sided by comets and even in some posts on this forum have astronomers stating they are more worried being blind sided by a comet then anything. NASA( and prominent Russian Scientist) were searching for Planet X, because something was disturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune pulling them down in the elliptical plane. The point is that the Brownie will come from underneath (Southern Hemisphere) and most of everything down there is of course, water. I know we have some members who are from Australia and New Zealand, so if you guys could get an infrared telescope and search for an infrared object DO SO! (I know you can't even get close to an infrared.) But, in all seriousness, I believe our government and most other governments know of this event and are taking steps to ensure the survival of the species. That being said, they can't save everybody. To be honest i hope this is all a crock of <inappropriate language removed>... but i'm not gonna worry, because for one i'm in the military, and # 2, i don't want to believe it until it happens. But i will prepare( no harm in that right). IF you want any further insight, please check out on liveleak video, Surviving Planet X and 2012. Theres many others but this must have been the most well done, of course look into Sumeria, and the Bible.

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Search this forum for Niburu and Planet X and you will find that this is all complete nonsense.
Search for 2012 and find the explanation that this is just another doomsday story - the Maya calender does not end on Dec 21, 2012, just another cycle begins. This is not more important than the y2k nonsense - we all survived quite well.

G'day! Love your avatar.

snippety snip...What was the source of this information? Did you check it out for yourself, or are you assuming everything you've mentioned is correct?

So you say this object was visible to people who lived about 4000-5000 years ago? Just checking the numbers here.

Hmmmm. The Greek philosopher Plato was the cause of Atlantis. No one recorded the name before him, and although many people claim to have found it, there really is no evidence for it existing beyond Plato's description.

Reference please?

A brown dwarf would need to pass very close to the Earth to heat it up. They simply don't produce a lot of heat.

Well, we can do some calculations, thanks to the laws governing the motion of orbiting bodies developed by Johannes Kepler and Sir Isaac Newton. If the Sumerians recorded the passage of this brown dwarf 4000-5000 years ago, and it's due to return in 4 years (not 5, remember, it's already 2008), then it's already going to be really close - well within the orbits of the outer planets. So it's hardly going to be coming completely out of nowhere.

That's true. But the reasons we're blindsided by comets explain why we're not going to be blindsided by a brown dwarf. Comets are a lot smaller than brown dwarfs. Comet core < 100 kilometres across. Brown dwarf > 100,000 kilometres across. That alone is going to make them screamingly obvious in the sky. Secondly, comets are made of ice, and so very cold. Brown dwarfs are failed stars, but still generate some heat. That also is going to make them stand out in the sky.

Put simply, a brown dwarf already closer to the Sun than the outer planets is going to stand out like proverbials - it's larger than Jupiter, much brighter than Jupiter, not much further from the Sun than Jupiter, and it's moving across the sky. Virtually anyone pointing a telescope into the sky is going to spot that.

Reference please.

Putting my hand up.

What about someone in South America or southern Africa? Remember, the entire southern sky is visible from everywhere in the southern hemisphere.

Pardon? There's some embargo on selling them, is there?

How good do you think governments are at keeping secrets? Anyway, don't you think amateur astronomers might have spotted Brownie, given what Brownie's characteristics must be? Do you think they're all keeping the secret too?

It is.

Well, I might have a look, but if your source of information turns out to contain silly mistakes, prepare to be mocked.

One other point. The Solar System is about 4.5 billion years old. If Brownie orbits the Sun every 4000-5000 years, that means it would have passed through the Solar System about a million times. Something the size of Brownie would leave very obvious traces, such as in the orbits of the planets. Instead, the planets are behaving as though nothing serious has affected their orbits for the last few billion years.

Well, I warned you. Prepare to be mocked.

1. I'm guessing you didn't check the information in those videos against any external source. If you had, you'd have found out that the object supposedly found by IRAS was later determined to be nothing to do with our Solar System.

2. An object of 4 to 8 Earth masses can't possibly be a Brown Dwarf. That's way too small. I'll let you do the research to determine the mass of such an object compared to the mass of Jupiter. Remember, Jupiter is too small to be a Brown Dwarf, so anything smaller than it also can't be.

3. Planet X can in no way be responsible for global warming on Earth. If it's as far away as the outer planets at the moment, and it's a lot cooler than the Sun, then it's too far away to heat the Earth. Anyway, if it was, there'd be evidence of heating on all the other planets, and there isn't any such evidence. Global warming here on Earth is caused by human actions, by natural processes of the Earth, or a combination.

Conclusion: You can safely ignore the content of the video, even if the narrator once had something to do with science on CNN.

My collection grows:

2003 no, 2012 si
2012
End of Mayan Calendar
Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
2012 alignment question
about the Mayan 2012 item
2012 Debunking?
Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
2012 asteroid?
We don't have to worry about 2012!
More on 2012 from India Daily
2012 Completion of conspiracy?
Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
crop circles, Planet X and 2012
Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
More 2012 Nonsense
NEO 2012?
Dangerous NEO in 2012?
Christmas 2012
2012 mayan calender end of world
Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
New 2012 threat?
2012 look at this thing on the sun
Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
Pole shift idea origins
Dec 20 2012
2012 Stuff
Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
Date: December 21st 2012
Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
So what will we see in 2012?
Galactic Tsunami?
Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
2012?
Any truth to this?
How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
Planet X Official Advertisement
What year are we in
Quick question about the sun
Galactic Alignment
Books of 2012! -
2007 = 2012
Return of Planet X By Rand
Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
Toutatis 4179: 2012?
Galactic Alignment in 2012 ?
Solar Storms
A real prediction!
NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER

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Dude. Paragraph breaks are your friends, man. They make it much easier for people to read your posts.

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It really is quite disturbing to watch this meme grow. Is it all from Nancy? OK, so 2012 was always going to have some doomsday scenario attached to it, that's a given, especially after 2000 didn't kick off, but would Nibiru or Planet X have had anything to do with it if Nancy hadn't started her cult? How many people would still find the meme credible if they knew it was created by a borderline psychotic who thought she received messages from aliens through an implant in her head?

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We'll just add that to the list of "grammar things that really bother me," shall we?

Honestly, when encountered with a post like that, some of us don't even bother reading all of it, because it's stuff we've heard before, and generally, it was presented better last time.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

I noticed on one of the videos which the OP directed us to a reference to a book called the Kolbrin Bible. Wikipedia had nothing about it, but Google had many references to a book which was half supposedly ancient Egyptian wisdom and half Celtic Druid wisdom. Has anyone heard of this book before? It sounds like it's a book written in the last couple of years but purported to be from times past.

Who are these credible sources?

Please provide some references (and please, no claims from a Planet X site). By the way, what would a "4 to 8 times" Earth mass object have to do with a brown dwarf? Jupiter has over 300 times the mass of Earth. The low end mess for classification of a brown dwarf is around 12 or 13 times the mass of Jupiter. In short, a brown dwarf would have thousands of times the mass of Earth.

Oh, good. Please provide its orbital elements. If it is plotted, there should be no difficulty seeing it in a telescope.

No, five years is a short time. If it is in orbit, that puts some constraints on it. It cannot be moving at solar escape velocity, or it would only pass by once. And a brown dwarf would be painfully obvious. It would be the size of Jupiter, but much hotter.

That depends on how you prepare. Anyway, I'm not going to worry about this issue because I've yet to see any credible evidence, and physically, most of the claims I've seen don't make sense.

Well, that certainly sounds like a credible resource. I think I'll wait until there is something that could actually be verified.

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It's actually a parmesan encrusted giant meatball that will herald the coming of the Flying Spaghetti Monster who will reward all the good Pastafarians with new pirate hats and eye-patches.

Yarrrr!

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Indeed, I didn't bother reading that "wall o' words" either.

Pete

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

Hello all, Now I know this is a very tired subject, and i wouldn't post it if it wasn't for my countless hours searching these past weeks!

It is a tired subject, and searching without discriminating is a waste of your time.

Now, I like you all and hope those of you who care will at least look for yourselves and decide.

Already done. Repeatedly.

I ran into some more crappy, same old same old, Niburu conspiracy theories and the like, but then somethings after researching I found were from some credible sources. Now, I don't want to bore you guys, i just want and hope you look into it yourselves and decide if you want to prepare or not.

Sorry, but you did not find anything from "credible sources". Just more "crappy, same old same old" conspiracy sites.

Did you know in 1983,4 Nasa found a strange object with 4 to 8 times Earth mass using IRAS(orbital infrared telescope), at the edge of our Solar system and nothing has come from it since. Except in 1992 a small report in USA weekly(i think that was the name), the same object was again reported.

No, IRAS did not find such an object in our solar system.

But NASA has been hush hush ever since, and for good reason i believe.

The good reason is that there was no such object.

Nibiru, (IMO) is not some planet that is full of annunaki or whatever, but actually a BROWN Dwarf. A failed star.

No. A brown dwarf is hundreds of times larger than Earth. You have just contradicted your own story.

It has been documented in the bible, ancient sumeria, and is even probably the cause of Atlantis.

No. Brown dwarfs have not been described in ancient times; they had no knowledge of such things. And "Atlantis" is a myth.

The Mayans have described it and even plotted its inevitable return.

Neither did the Mayans. Of course, if its return was "plotted", than you can provide its orbital elements, hmmm? What are they, exactly?

Of course that would be 2012.

Of course, that is wholesale conjecture without evidence.

Now, This would cause all types of Earth changes having a Brown Dwarf pass to the inner reaches of our solar system, heating up the planet and causing many solar storms as it draws nearer and nearer. And as we know with Highly Elliptical Orbits, when its closer to the body its orbiting around, it speeds up, which will probably explain its approach in 5 years completely out of nowhere(OR IS IT?).

Flat wrong. If it was "5 years away", it would already be making its presence known.

Of course, five years from now is 2013, not 2012. Why is it my five-year-old can do the math, but not the "credible" sites you are parroting?

To my understanding scientist and astronomers have written articles about being blind sided by comets and even in some posts on this forum have astronomers stating they are more worried being blind sided by a comet then anything.

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the so-called "Nibiru".

NASA( and prominent Russian Scientist) were searching for Planet X, because something was disturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune pulling them down in the elliptical plane.

No. That has nothing to do with the "Planet X" you are talking about.

The point is that the Brownie will come from underneath (Southern Hemisphere) and most of everything down there is of course, water. I know we have some members who are from Australia and New Zealand, so if you guys could get an infrared telescope and search for an infrared object DO SO! (I know you can't even get close to an infrared.)

First of all, the last two lines contradict each other.

Second, you don't need to be in Australia or New Zealand to observe southern sky objects. I could observe the southern sky from Arizona when I lived there.

Third, such an object would be an easy visible light object.

Fourth, there's no such object.

But, in all seriousness, I believe our government and most other governments know of this event and are taking steps to ensure the survival of the species. That being said, they can't save everybody. To be honest i hope this is all a crock of <inappropriate langauge removed>...

It is.

but i'm not gonna worry, because for one i'm in the military, and # 2, i don't want to believe it until it happens. But i will prepare( no harm in that right). IF you want any further insight, please check out on liveleak video, Surviving Planet X and 2012. Theres many others but this must have been the most well done, of course look into Sumeria, and the Bible.

The most well-done of them are delusional ravings of the scientifically illiterate. In that, they are indistinguishable from the least well done of them.

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I can only refer to Velikovski who seemed to have something right after all. Plus there does appear to be some evidence of various disturbances around the Earth.

What would that be? I assume you are referring to Immanuel Velikovsky, who got a rather amazing number of things wrong.

"Disturbances" is rather vague. What specifically are you referring to, and what is the relevance to the subject of the thread?

And, I see this is your first post, so, welcome to BAUT.

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You know what I think? I think maybe Spinal Tap were onto something...check out the lyrics to their song 'Stonehenge':

"In ancient times, hundreds of years before the dawn of history, lived a strange race of people........The Druids. No-one knows who they were, or what they were doin'...but their legacy remains, hewn into the living rock, of Stonehenge!"

It doesn't take much imagination to see how 'Kolbrin' could morph into 'Stonehenge' as the name is passed down through 5000 years of legend.

"Stonehenge - 'tis a magic place, where the moon doth rise with a dragon's face."

If this isn't a specific reference to Nibiru close in the night sky, I don't know what is.

"We'll go back in time to that magic land
Where the dewdrops cry and the cats meow..."

'Go back in time' - i.e. cyclical events - such as an orbit????

'Where the dewdrops cry' - Russian scientists have long known that strong EMP caused by, say, a massive object disturbing the solar wind in this area of space, can cause curious harmonic effects in free-standing water...such as dew, perhaps?

'And the cats meow...' - needs no explanation. The sensitivity of animals to paranormal events is well documented and needs no further discussion here.

The final incontrovertible piece of proof - David St Hubbins. St Hubbins is generally acknowledged as the patron saint of devastating astronomical disturbances. It's all there, if only you learn how to read the signs.

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AGN Fuel, just stay away from the drums, okay?

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Well, Ok i will use paragraph breaks this time and the next. Yea, I've never heard of the IRAS incident before, so that was one of my credible sources. But to me it sounds like you have all the faith in the Government like they will tell you the truth because it's their duty. For instance, JFK warned about secret societies in one of his speeches, and Eisenhower warned of the rise of the Military Industrial Complex. I mean, even since the days of the Apollo program, the astronauts were told not to worry or mention about those UFO's they would see outside their capsule windows(you want sources don't ya). And NASA is part of the government military industrial complex (Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon, Northgrop <--- might of spelled that wrong) all have a hand in building their expensive space vehichles, sats, etc.

UFO, A very awfully misused term. It seems any joe blow who sees some light in the sky that doesn't blink (to signify it's a plane) in the sky to be a UFO. My point is, there's just to much "coincedence" out there for you to be sure about ANYTHING. If you want credible sources, check out the two who started the Disclosure Project, Dr. Steven M. Greer and Dr. Ted Loder.They have a full list of witnesses you can check out on Wiki, to include Airforce and Navy Officers, and more. You can watch their interviews on youtube. Also, Larry King live on Nov 12, 2007 had another Air Force colonel who explains an incident in detail in England 1980. You all seem to believe sources that are official government officials so those military should wet your toes.

INFRARED - I was just under the impression that Infrared Telescopes are quite expensive. But, if you can get your hands on one let me know how much you paid for it, or better yet how much they go for. You make it sound like they are common.

Thanks for the insight though. I kind of figured the Niburu thing was kind of far fetched, but who knows whats really out there? Here's a video about Sumerian culture and history and the whole belief of a 10th planet.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vV_jCzTeR1U&feature=related

About how would another planetary body affect Earth? If it was of enough mass, The gravity of another object would stretch our inner core/mantle generating stress and heat. Just like IO's getting heated by Jupiter and it is the most volcanically active body in our solar system. That would probably explain the deluge. Maybe it has been recorded, but no one's paid any attention to it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6yMDqmlc50&NR=1

That video was kind of long, heres a short version and without the crappier music. They also have a Disclosure Project in Australia, albeit i don't know much about it, and i don't think they've made much headway. Not that our's has.

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JimHensonsDayDreamer ,

You started posting like you were a non CT'ist and you were an innocent bystander just looking for the facts- as if you have been misled.

Then you return to post this nonsense:
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General distrust of anything the government says and more CT'ist garbage. Oh and supposed whistleblowing from JFK. Guess that's why the evil gubmint bumped him off huh?

And on you move to UFO's. So not only are you a Niburu believer, but an Alien UFO believer as well.

And do not bother claiming you are not. You have been quite clear so far that you are.
I find this statement unlikely in the extreme.
And here you go drudging up ancient cultures and YOUTUBE videos.
Now There's some science! YouTube!

And then your last post is yet more YouTube.

Is YouTube your credible source?

I might have granted you some benefit of the doubt as a person who was misled, but as a CT'ist and UFO(alien) proponent pretending to be an innocently misled individual?

That's dirty.

Quit faking it and being a pretender. You are no good at it.

You seem angry NeverFly. Did you get screamed at today or something? I didn't mention anything about JFk getting whacked, you did, so it seems you have your own views there even though you try to point it out like a question. I brought out UFO's, for one I read all your statements on the Niburu topic, and because to me it seems like you have all the faith in the world in your government. I didn't make it out that i was an "innocent" CTist, i made it out that i didn't quite believe the Niburu and Planet X theory entirely. This is conspiracy board? If you don't like it go back to the other sections.

And about youtube, you can find those videos im sure from their direct source, but as you can see they are imported from other TV, DVD, VHS programs. You can easily get news clips directly ported onto Youtube, why waste my time finding YOU the official websites for each. If you care you can do that yourself. You didn't mention the Disclosure Project i pointed out, what about those credible sources? You just jumped straight into the video link about Sumeria. You can pull up your dress now.

If i wasn't a CTist, i wouldn't start a thread on a Conspiracy Forum.

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Ahhh, I have inspired honesty. What a beautiful outcome.

The real outcome is your labeling of people. Tisk Tisk.

A true scholar would meld science, history, and religion. How will you learn about the future if you don't study the past.

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That isn't relevant. A brown dwarf heading for the inner solar system in just a few years would be incredibly obvious. As previously noted, a brown dwarf would be the size of Jupiter and much hotter. It would reflect sunlight, and would glow visibly. There is no government in the world that could hide it - millions of people would be watching it. But, it does seem that you have made a couple of assumptions in this argument unrelated to the science:

(1) That there is some reason to take this particular unsupported "end of the world" idea more seriously than the many, many others that have come and gone (including versions of this one that had Planet X arriving in 2003).

and

(2) That we should automatically distrust government sources.


[I'm going to skip the UFO comments, since that's another subject]

Tidal heating in Io is more complicated than that (it also involves orbital resonance effects with other satellites) but it should also be noted that Io is all of 420,000 km from Jupiter.

What has been recorded? If by "deluge" you mean the story of a world flood, that isn't supported by geological evidence. Not to mention that there isn't any evidence that the Earth and Moon had a close pass with a massive object in a few billion years.

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What an interesting thing to hear from you... After your several mentions about 'faith in the government.'

The government is a body of people. It is not perfect. It will try to lie. It does try to keep secrets.

These secrets deal with national security concerns.

Strangely, the US govt. seems rather disinterested in UFO's. The only time it showed interest was during the cold war when National Security meant looking out for spy planes.

I'm sure a thousand years ago, many 'believers' were enthusiastic about Sprites, gnomes and elves too. And skeptics debunked it and believers gathered anecdotes, and supposed 'evidence' of testimonials from Higher Ups.


I went to http://www.disclosureproject.org/ and poked around a bit. Not impressive. In the least. Most of it is hype and hogwash, the rest is unfounded, unsubstantiated or already thoroughly debunked claims.

Labeling is something you are doing. I hate to break the news to ya.

So what does the government do about Private Astronomers that are fully capable of observing Niburu? Hmmm?

If I go outside right now and point a 10 reflector at the sky and hunt for Niburu- and say I find it- shall I be fearful of the Men in Black coming to suppress my knowledge?

The evidence in favor of there being no niburu is substantial. The evidence in favor of there being a Niburu is... well... there really isn't any. None.

So while you are claiming that you don't believe in it entirely while you are promoting it like crazy- Perhaps you should be a Real Truther and actually look at Real Evidence?

As far as your YouTube links go- whatever.

I can load up videos heralding doom on YouTube too. I can even make them look and sound 'sciency' .

That does not mean squat.

I don't need the government to tell me there is no Niburu. I don't even need it telling me to wear my seatbelt.
I don't need the government to tell me there are no Alien Visitors.

A little bit of unbiased research will tell me just fine. No Men in Black involved.

Are you a scholar?

No. A scholar may study these things, but need not "meld" them.

Learning from history deals with things like Human behavior and events or even Impacts and such. We do indeed study these things and come up with Realistic, Plausible and Observational evidence to determine future threats by.

No i am not a scholar, nor do i pretend to be one. I don't promote it like crazy either, i made one thread in two years on this forum. Anyways, i'm not going to get worked up about it, and neither should you. In the words of Bob Marley, Peace Brethren.

But hey, If your an American... VOTE <endorsement removed>! Because i don't think the government needs to tell us to wear our seatbelt either.

Oh, and one more thing, I post here because I like realist to debunk it for me so i don't have to do all the digging. I'm lazy like that.

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Avoiding Politics- But I think there are some things we can definitely agree on

If we're discussing whether or not there is a "Nibiru" or "Planet X" then the scholar would look at the objective evidence. Personal belief systems would not be melded.

By the way, I haven't gotten into it much, but Sitchin (of the Planet X/Nibiru idea) is not exactly considered the most reliable interpreter of Sumerian mythology. In any event, at best, such interpretations would only be useful if they were supported by physical evidence.

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Here's some,

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/....ap/index.html
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYo...de%20flood.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0907150931.htm

I'm sure there's more. But I can't say I believe in a total world wide flood(For one i'm not very religious. Spiritual but not religious.) Of course, all science is based on theory, until proven right? Just like the theory of how the moon was formed. The bible, although some stories are far fetched, is historically very accurate. The story of the deluge though is way older than Noah's bible story. The epic of Gilgamesh, Sumerian creation story, all say basically the same concept. Then again who really knows how long humans have been here? There's no "Scientific" evidence to tell you.

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