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Old 27-March-2008, 08:49 PM
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Ok, how about this: The floors have a system of thousands of tiny venturis underneath, with high speed air passing through them. These would have taps in the small part to create a suction at floor level and the floor would really be a screen. With a whole lot of small suctions over the area the size of a foot, perhaps you could counter enough of the 1/6th g to make one appear to walk normally. It'd probably be so noisy that there wouldn't be much conferencing going on though.

Eh, maybe we should stick with velcro.
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Old 27-March-2008, 09:29 PM
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...to create a suction at floor level...

That will also help on the days the cafeteria serves burritos.

Eh, maybe we should stick with velcro.

Isn't that the whole point of velcro?
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Old 27-March-2008, 09:39 PM
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Perhaps you're referring to the scene where the captain comes in, removes his hat, and talks with Dr. Floyd? The captain holds his hat, but Floyd's dinner tray starts to float away.

More revealing is the captain's hunching over in this scene -- a very gravity-induced posture.
Yes, good one! Not a sign of floating, but lots of muscles resisting gravity.

BTW, despite all this, I'm still a big fan of the movie. Suspension of disbelief and immersion in the story make this film a remarkable experience.
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Old 27-March-2008, 09:42 PM
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...to create a suction at floor level...

That will also help on the days the cafeteria serves burritos....
LOL!

Just sitting here imaging Mexican food on the Ares....burritos through a straw!
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Perhaps you're referring to the scene where the captain comes in,
removes his hat, and talks with Dr. Floyd? The captain holds his hat,
but Floyd's dinner tray starts to float away. Floyd acts a little startled,
but the captain just smiles.
Ah, I switched the people and the objects. Now that you remind me
that it was the dinner tray, I can visualise it rising unsteadily from his
lap. When I thought it was the pilot's cap, I couldn't remember if it
was on the left or in the center of the screen. The tray was on the
right. What I can't recall is how long it has been since I last saw the
movie. Huh. I don't recall having seen it since before 2001. That
can't possibly be right.

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Neither session accomplished anything.

So I knew what you meant and was predisposed to make rude
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Oooooh!! Burritos through a straw! I see in a photo that the tray had
eight compartments. Plenty of room to include a burrito slurpee.

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Old 27-March-2008, 11:56 PM
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Perhaps you're referring to the scene where the captain comes in,
removes his hat, and talks with Dr. Floyd? The captain holds his hat,
but Floyd's dinner tray starts to float away.

More revealing is the captain's hunching over in this scene -- a very
gravity-induced posture.
That's what I was referring to when I said the worst, for me, was
when the pilot of the Aries Earth-Moon spacecraft leaned on the back
of a seat when he was supposed to be in total weightlessness.

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Note that Bowman & Poole lean on the diagnostic table in the pod bay while troubleshooting the AE-35 unit. The pod bay is supposed to be in zero-G.
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Ah, yes, another one. I shoulda thought of it. Guys leaning on things again.
Guys like to lean on things.

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Heres a thought experiment. What would you do if NASA, came out, called a press conference with the backing of the whole agency and said "OK, we admit it, we faked it, we faked the moon landing." What would you do? What would be your reaction? This wasn't important enough I thought to start a whole new thread about, so I decided to ask it here. I hopes that is alright all ye mods.
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Would they explain how/why they did it?
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What would be your reaction?

Easy; I would ask how all the evidence had been faked -- all of it. The Big Confession simply isn't enough. Without plausible explanations for the evidence, it's more parsimonious to discount the confession.
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Heres a thought experiment. What would you do if NASA, came out, called a press conference with the backing of the whole agency and said "OK, we admit it, we faked it, we faked the moon landing." What would you do? What would be your reaction? This wasn't important enough I thought to start a whole new thread about, so I decided to ask it here. I hopes that is alright all ye mods.
This is begging the question.

The thought is an absurdity.

May as well ask me how I would react if God came down from heaven and confessed that water isn't actually wet.
Or ask me how I would react if I found out there is no moon at all- it's an elaborate hologram and all historical references to the Moon have been forged.

By asking the question, it implies that NASA would have been capable of faking the Lunar Landings. The question itself implies a possibility which is directly in conflict with all the evidence.
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Heres a thought experiment. What would you do if NASA, came out, called a press conference with the backing of the whole agency and said "OK, we admit it, we faked it, we faked the moon landing." What would you do? What would be your reaction? This wasn't important enough I thought to start a whole new thread about, so I decided to ask it here. I hopes that is alright all ye mods.
An interesting question.

As others have indicated, a confession on its own is not sufficient. The thing one is confessing to must be self-consistent, and the faked moon landings scenario is clearly not self-consistent.

This is why HB arguments take the form they do - a series of accusations that some point or other is suspicious. But the HBs are unable to integrate these "suspicious" points into a coherent theory or narrative, despite having had nearly four decades to do so. And the more they learn about the official account of events, the more they realise it's difficult or impossible to create an "alternative" account. One of the more "reasonable" accounts, IIRC, had the astronauts fake most of the flight in Earth orbit while an unmanned probe went to the moon itself. Such a scenario is, of course, as complicated as actually landing men on the moon!

Also, if NASA were to confess, why haven't they done so already? Surely there'd be at least one whistleblower by now. But in fact whistleblowers are so conspicuous by their absence that some HBs have even tried to redefine the word "whistleblower" to include other HBs.
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I'd shoot them. They wouldn't deserve anything less....

But it'll never happen.
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I'd note today's date.
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If it's good enough for Sid Finch, it's good enough for NASA!
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I just noticed that our logo has stars in the sky. Should we do something about that?
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I just noticed that our logo has stars in the sky. Should we do something about that?
It could be night, and the scene lit by Earthshine. Yeah, that's the ticket!
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