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all i want to say is this.im not saying planet x exists(if anyone has photo proof please post it here as i really need to see it).but what im saying to all the people out there who laugh when someone sais the world is coming to an end or sniggers when its claimed something like planet x exists is i think your extremely arrogant and dangerous people.do not for one minute think you know what is going on in space or come to think of it anyone from nasa or the goverment nos either.mother nature has no feelings for any of you or me and will do as she pleases.whats so funny about the world ending tommorow?is it a nervous twitter from people who laugh about it?i can assure you if something decided to blow the lot of us up or fry us all tommorow there aint a dam thing you or me can do about it.these arrogant people need to remember the earth has been destroyed before,or parts of it clearly on a cycle.i dont no if the world will end tommorow but im not so arrogant as to expect it wont.do you people think you are immortal?there are things out there that no one wants anyone to know about,we could be destroyed tommorow and no ones gona tell you.i find it highly dangerous to beleive we are the only humans out in space.thyeres things up there you probably wouldnt believe.instead of people being negative just be like me 50/50.dont beleive and dont be negative either.because if mother nature or the universe wants us gone then she will do it,not you or anyones gona change that,so the jokers out there need to grow up a bit and know that its not for your saying whether you die or not on the earth.

It's not at all arrogant to apply one's legitimate expertise, knowledge, and experience. Arrogance is to be confident without that knowledge.

The Planet X claims are not vague, abstract fears about the ability of nature to affect the human race. They are specific, testable claims that simply fail the test. When the results of those tests are presented to the claimants, they simply offer speculative excuses for why the test was invalid, or why the magical properties of their claims should elude all meaningful tests.

I know tigers can kill people. Hence, in general, it's wise to beware tigers. But if someone tells me there's a tiger in the back seat of my car, it's neither arrogant nor misleading to actually look in the car, fail to see a tiger, and dismiss the claim. It really is that simple. There is a difference between wariness and doomsaying.

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I know tigers can kill people. Hence, in general, it's wise to beware tigers. But if someone tells me there's a tiger in the back seat of my car, it's neither arrogant nor misleading to actually look in the car, fail to see a tiger, and dismiss the claim. It really is that simple. There is a difference between wariness and doomsaying.

See, why is it that if you don't belive a CT or a "Prophecy", you are automatically discounting them out of arrogance without even looking? The complaint is that we don't look in the back seat for the tiger, we just say, "Oh you silly little man, there's no tiger there because I'm a scientist!".

If we were so quick to dismiss claims while not bothering to look at the "evidence" (use that term losely), we wouldn't have a whole section of BAUT full of thousand-plus post threads.

It is arrogant to dismiss a claim without even looking at it, but it's also arrogant to assume that we don't look at and consider the claims being made.

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Ha! Planet eX! <snigger>

I've seen too many people trash their lives, the lives of their families, and at least one national forest because of this Planet X/Niburu/End of the world nonsense.

I'm not going to going to treat this Planet X stuff like a respectable idea.

Friendly advice: Keep your language here immaculate or face the wrath of the mods. This place is stricter than many because they actually encourage families to come here.

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Has Planet X cleared its orbit? If not, it may actually be Dwarf Planet X, according to the IAU.

The earth has been destroyed before? Did I miss another doomsday? I do wish people would give me a bit of warning. I'd like to plan ahead for the next one, you know spend all my money, go mental, practice screaming "we're all going to die", that sort of thing.

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no your wrong that wasnt what i said.i said why do people laugh over claims the world will end?im not just talking about planet x.im saying scientists are wrong every day.they are about as usefull as a chocolate fireplace.ie vitamins help cancer,vitamins cause cancer,8 glasses of water a day are good for you,now they do nothing for you,its all claptrap.dont tell me the world wont end some day because scientists predict it wont,thats bs.science is not fact but theory.the truth is that(and my main point)the planet could go tommorow and no one will ever stop that happening or predict it.that gentlemen is a fact.my point was why laugh at it?it is pure arrogance to assume we are cocooned and protected every day by some unknown force,utter rubbish.i dont beleive anything as yet but would not discount the earth dying very soon.whether man made or not.the earth is dying.and we will pay for it some day.cassus you know what i mean,the earths life has been wiped out sevral times before,your another idiot who thinks hes immortal,your being ignored you idiot.until you leave highschool

How do you know?


What allows you to know "facts", but scientists to only have "theories"? And I presume you don't think the scientists that designed, built, and programmed the very computer you are using to spread your opinion to be as useful as a chocolate fireplace...

Bit of a broad statement that "they are about as usefull as a chocolate fireplace"? Given that without a bit of thinking we would still be having the family evening meal in a cave.

Re world suddenly ending. It would be no point in pointing out the impact history that is still visible on this planet or new ones cropping up on other bodies we happen to be looking at. Maybe the impact on Jupiter need resurrecting, although I understand it is referred to as the Solar Systems vacuum cleaner. So I do not think scientists will say we are immune from anything. Anyone?

Re life being wiped out. No it hasn't, you are living proof. That is not to say that humans will survive or indeed anything. Depends on the mis hap.

PS. If the Earth makes it then I understand the current theory is the sun will eat us all up. We will need the scientists to get off this rock before that happens. Hurry up, several billion years left.

Sorry, you're just espousing the argument summarized as, "You can't know anything reliably until you know everything; and since you demonstrably don't know everything, you can't know that I'm wrong."

That's hogwash. Planet X claims are specific and testable. They are testably wrong.

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It must be awful to live a life in fear of the bogeyman (Wikipedia for alternate spelling and cultures).

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...why do people laugh over claims the world will end?

Nobody's doing that. We're pointing out that claims saying the world will end by means of the effects of so-called Planet X are demonstrably unsupported. There's a difference. One is a general clam, the other is specific.

im not just talking about planet x

But we are. We're responding to specific claims, not general handwaving.

im saying scientists are wrong every day.

How would you have that answer without having conducted science? If you say "scientists are wrong," that means you measured a proposition against observable evidence or outcome. That is science. What you're doing in order to trash mainstream science is no different than what scientists actually do. Scientist, heal thyself.

..its all claptrap.

Prove it. Do without the benefit of science for one year and see how far you get.

dont tell me the world wont end some day because scientists predict it wont

Straw-man argument. Show me a scientist who predicts the world won't end.

it is pure arrogance to assume we are cocooned and protected every day by some unknown force,utter rubbish.

Yes, that's utter rubbish and no one here believes that. We do, however, distinguish between guarding against real threats and guarding against imaginary ones. If we only have a limited set of resources, and if the act of defending against a threat is inherently risky, then it makes sense to evaluate the putative threats.

Rejecting Planet-X claims on the basis of evidence is not the same as claiming to be invincible or believing ourselves protected by some "unknown force." I really don't think you have a clue what mainstream science really says.

...your being ignored you idiot.until you leave highschool

I've been out of high school for quite a long time. I'm an engineer. I am liable for the correctness of my conclusions, therefore well motivated to get it right.

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I had a very long rant typed out, but I've changed my mind and keep it short. Again, SlimPunk, your entire argument is based off the assumption that we dismiss claims based on the particular claim, and not the presented "evidence". This is not true.

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"no your wrong that wasnt what i said.i said why do people laugh over claims the world will end?im not just talking about planet x.im saying scientists are wrong every day.they are about as usefull as a chocolate fireplace.ie vitamins help cancer,vitamins cause cancer,8 glasses of water a day are good for you,now they do nothing for you,its all claptrap."

Yes, scientists are wrong every day. And the errors are usually caught by themselves or other scientists.

How often do you see doomsday prophets, preacher, or politicians do that?

If you have no use for science, How would you like to go back to the days of high infant mortality, and a short,nasty and brutish existence?

And no internet, HA HA HA.

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Hi, slimpunk. Welcome to the board.

no your wrong that wasnt what i said.i said why do people laugh over claims the world will end?

It's not the general claim the world will end. We know it will, in 5+ billion years when the sun expands and sets the Earth on Deep Fry. It's claims which are wildly and provably wrong which we laugh at.

im not just talking about planet x.

But we are. "Planet X" is a space-related EOTW (end of the world) claim, and a conspiracy claim to boot, since so many PX proponents claim The Gubmint is covering it up.

im saying scientists are wrong every day.they are about as usefull as a chocolate fireplace.ie vitamins help cancer,vitamins cause cancer,8 glasses of water a day are good for you,now they do nothing for you,its all claptrap.

I presume, since scientists "are about as usefull[sic] as a chocolate fireplace", that you'll immediately stop posting on this bulletin board and turn your computer off. Because scientists made your computer possible, made the Internet possible, and made the electricity that runs it all possible. (Don't forget to turn off your electric lights and air conditioner while you're at it.) You could pass the time by talking to your friends - no cell phone, though, that was made possible by science too.

How are you feeling today? Good? Didn't die of a minor infection? Didn't die from smallpox or polio as a kid? Scientists did that. Do you wear glasses or contacts? Thank science for correcting your vision so you can read this.

Get the idea? Yes, science doesn't progress in a linear fashion, and the human body is very complex and we're still figuring out how it all works - just like the Universe, and funadmental particles - but to say "its [sic] all claptrap" shows that you really haven't thought about this at all.

dont tell me the world wont end some day because scientists predict it wont,thats bs.science is not fact but theory.

Gravity is a theory. If you think "theory" means nothing more than "today's guess", I invite you to defy it by walking off something tall. (*** DISCLAIMER: don't really do that! ***)

the truth is that(and my main point)the planet could go tommorow and no one will ever stop that happening or predict it.

Actually, we could predict something like a brown dwarf heading our way, and we could predict it ahead of time. Some catastrophes you can see coming. The reason we don't see "Planet X" coming to beat us all up in 2012 is because it's not there, and given the claims made for it, we can prove it's not there - and, in fact, have done so on this board.

That is not the same as proving there's no conceivable disaster going to happen in the unquantifiable future. But then again, no one here is claiming that.

that gentlemen is a fact.my point was why laugh at it?it is pure arrogance to assume we are cocooned and protected every day by some unknown force,utter rubbish.

Straw man. Who here has made that claim?

i dont beleive anything as yet but would not discount the earth dying very soon.whether man made or not.the earth is dying.and we will pay for it some day.

This is meaningless unless you make a specific claim. Even if the direst predictions for, say, global warming are realized, that does not mean the Earth is "dying" - far from it.

cassus you know what i mean,the earths life has been wiped out sevral times before,

Your evidence for that? And I don't mean the various events which have made some lifeforms extinct. I mean what exactly "wiped out" life on the Earth before, and when, and what is your evidence?

your another idiot who thinks hes immortal,your being ignored you idiot.until you leave highschool

I graduated from high school, and college, a long time ago. Frankly, you sound like you have a long way to go until you graduate high school. I'm not saying that to be rude - but if you want anyone to take you seriously, you need to learn something about the subject, organize your thoughts, and make specific claims, not just angrily attack strawmen with bad grammar and insults.

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With spelling, grammar and punctuation as bad as that, I'd lay off calling other people idiots if I were you.

Now although I have eternal life to look forward to, I'm not going to waste a second of it on you. Have fun trying to annoy people.

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It's probably because most of the claims are rediculous, and so far all claims about the world ending before today have been wrong.

Also, you might want to try out some punctuation.

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You are right (in a way). It is possible, for example, that a giant meteor could hit the Earth (though we would probably know months or years in advance) and wipe out human civilization (a dinosaur killer type event). I suspect, given current technology, that we would easily predict it, but we might not be able to stop it (there are ideas, but they are untested). If you search around this board you'll find lots of discussions about all the technical issues involved (and beside from an occassional joke, you will see very little laughing about it).

As others point out, the claims that have been made about Planet X do not fall into this kind of category and can be (and have been) tested and found to not to be true.

Do you have other ideas about how the Earth could be destroyed? Or is it just some undefined fear along the lines of something bad could happen and we don't know what?

Ok, so now what? Are you planing to live the rest of your life in continous fear of some extremely low probability world ending event? What would you like the rest of us to do about it?

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I want to make a prediction:

If slimpunk comes back, he/she will simultaneously accuse science of being unbending and close-minded, and all the while fickle, and too quick to change its mind.

If my prediction turns out wrong, I can accept that fact.

However, I have been predicting the non-appearance of Planet X/Nibiru since 1997, And I have been 100% accurate every time. Not one single exception.

Let me make that clear: For 11 years, I have predicted that the Earth will not be destroyed by Planet X/Nibiru, or anything else, and it never has!

Can any doomsday prophet claim an accuracy like mine?

Doomsday prophets and anti-science people need to keep an open mind. They need to do their own research, and not mindlessly follow the Paid Bunkers like mindless sheeple.

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Amen to that!

I propose that all the proponents of planet X destroying us give me all their money and belongings. This must be legal and above board. Or at least sign it all over to charity if they don't want me to be rich. All in advance of the date please, money where your mouths are.

A number of late astrologers tried that in India in February 1962. They didn't make it to March 1962.

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Hi slimpunkass,

Welcome to the BAUT! Read and comply with the rules, and have fun.Cycles, eh? There's a fellow here called Robert Tulip who might be interested in what you have to offer.

BTW, if you're trying to communicate information and make a point, you'll find this is done more effectively with the use of spaces between sentences, paragraphs, correct (as opposed to phonetic) spelling, and proper capitalisation.

In addition, your posts will be easier to follow if you stick to the subject matter indicated by the thread title.

Finally, you are making some claims. You need to provide objective, verifiable information to support them.

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When in doubt about the status of the Earth you can always check International Earth-Destruction Advisory Board. Currently the status is Green (Earth not destroyed) and the Geocide count (that tracks the number of times the Earth has been destroyed) is zero. So far all is well.

Actually, that site does have some reasonable presentations of various ways the Earth might be destroyed and discusses their plausibility.

ETA: The link may or may not work. The full URL is

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Welcome to BAUT

The rest of the board isn't that scattered and crazy

Only slightly.

Twas brillig... and the slithy toves...

hysterical - you are.



calm down and drink one of those 8 glasses of water.



ok, now that you're sober and calm, how can something with a very low probability be a fact?


ok.



also, oh nevermind.

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Wow, this Slimpunkass has some issues! Thanks for the welcome Neverfly.