UFO HUNTERS new show this last week was about a rarely heard about event (at least for me..) involving a UFO being seen for hours over our airfields. The audio transcripts have just been released via FOIA and are pretty amazing. For the first time ever, they openly talked about a "UFO OFFICER" to help decide what to do about these objects. It appears the UFO OFFICER is probably from the FTD (Foreign Technology Division) and supposedly one was at every base. Of course, the Air Force does not study UFO's.

So why was this classified to begin with? To cover up stupidity? Watch the video below and take into account all the facts they go over. Thanks and enjoy.

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So why was the audio transcript classified at all? Also, doesnt this prove that the Air Force has been lying when it says it does not investigate UFO's and that they are not a threat?

What do you think? it's your thread?

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A classified UFO incident.

You will have to provide better evidence than YouTube videos that are based on suspicion and paranoia about something these people are guessing, assuming and inventing things.
The videos include distorted evidence presented by a biased propagandist and twisted cherry picking in order to best support their claims.

Anyone who is not lacking critical thinking and wits can see through the smokescreen.

Thanks for not watching the videos. Because if you had, you would know that they went over multiple mundane explanations and debunkery points. They even interviewed weather experts to say it WAS NOT "ANOMALOUS PROPIGATION".



Thanks.

History channel sensationalism is called "debunking"? I think not.

Look, if your not going to watch the videos your just wasting my time.

Whatever.

You are the one who chose to post them- ask for commentary- and chose to respond to my commentary. If you felt it's a waste of time- why did you do it?

Tell you what: Maybe I don't feel like wasting my time by watching a bunch of YouTube's sensationalizing UFO's as Space Aliens...

Maybe if you want to discuss what you perceive to be a conspiracy YOU might take the actual time and effort to do more than post links to videos. Maybe you could concisely list out the supposed "Smoking Gun" evidence that we can actually have a discussion about.

While we are talking YouTube- I can dig up some YouTubes disputing these videos you linked to!
I can link to YouTube video's about BigFoot.
I can link to YouTube Videos claiming that there is a conspiracy about Jackalopes too.

It just isn't impressive.

If you have evidence- Present EVIDENCE.

Incidentally, the military always has and will always do some investigating into UFO's. Do you know what UFO means?
UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object.

Your claim that the Air Force Denies investigating UFO's is false. Completely false.

They never denied that they investigate UFO's.

What the Air Force does NOT DO is investigate Alien Abduction claims, Investigate UFO/Alien Spacecraft Claims or investigate Alien Sightings.

Get your facts straight and don't try to manipulate the facts to make it appear that the military lied- when it never did.

Do we look like fools? Non thinkers that can't see through your cherry picked claim?
C'mon...

I want to see some Alien Controlled Spaceships, not those ol' UFO's!

Let me know when you watch the videos. (And have something to say about the content in those videos, or this UFO case overall).

Is it too much to ask you comment on what I posted? This has nothing to do with past UFO arguments, debates or cases. So let me know if you want to engage in a real discussion about this, or if you expect me to defend some broad UFO cases involving the last 100 years.

If I recall correctly, this is the Edwards AFB incident back in 1965.
UFO officers were common during the bluebook era, which is when this incident supposedly happened and, at that time, the AF did investigate UFO events. Therefore, you claim that they were lying when they did not investigate UFOs is false. Each base had a UFO officer to deal with UFO reports made. It was part of the system that had been developed. When bluebook went away, the UFO officers did too.

As far as "UFO officers" being part of FTD, that is not exactly correct. At one point bluebook may have been part of the FTD/ATIC but that changed as bluebook became a political nightmare. By the mid-1960s, the staff at bluebook was pretty small. I believe it was headed by a Major and had one sergeant as well as a few secretaries by then. My guess (based on my past experience in the military) is many of the base UFO officers were officers filling the position because somebody had to be the "UFO officer" on base. I would not be surprised that some of them were "the new guy" who had reported recently and got stuck with it until another "new guy" showed up. The amount of training they probably received was minimal. Some probably took their job seriously and others may have chose to be complacent.

UFO incidents got classified for many reasons and maybe not for the reasons suggested by these videos. You can speculate all you want but if the AF were to say it was classified because of a classified project, you would not believe them anyway so what is the point of asking the question? You already have the answer you want. It may not be the right answer but it is the one you choose to believe.

BTW, despite claims to the contrary by UFO groups, no UFO has been positively shown to have posed a threat to any military installation. In this case nothing was ever threatened or destroyed.

I don't have time to sit here and watch all the videos. I got most of the way through the first video- Which uses implications, dramatic music and Visual Effects Strongly Suggesting an alien UFO even though the declassified recording wasn't describing an object that looked like the "orb" the History Channel stuck in there as a special effect.

Enough of that...

I have a better idea. Let me know when you are ready to Type Out Your Presentation of the Evidence Yous Seem to be Claiming this Has.

Then I will discuss it- Point For point.

I'm not going to sit here watching your Heavy Sensationalism to make you happy.

Oh Heck- this Video BEGINS by claiming Edwards was "invaded."

Amazing. Nowhere in that video does anyone call it "alien". So, ironically you seem to be saying that what little you watched lead you to conclude it was alien. That is fair enough, it is an odd case.

But.. again I can't get into this if you don't watch the videos. You wanna blanket condemn this UFO case because of the "Music" in the first video. Give me a break.

The music, the sensationalism and the Visual Special Effects depicting something that looks like a Classic Alien UFO.

Guy, Look. I'm not stupid ok? Your implications that I'm assuming it's about aliens are absolute utter nonsense.

THE VIDEO is depicting some Paranormal Mysterious Unexplained -Whatever.

I repeat:
When you are Ready To Type Out Your Claims in Clear English- THEN you can expect a discussion.

In the meantime- it's just another video...


I'm beginning to think that you have not watched the videos yourself from your refusal to Type Out Your Claims For The Discussion.

When will you be ready to Type Out Your Claims For discussion? Because when you Type Out Your Claims For discussion, then those who respond will KNOW what to respond to.

Do you realize yet that you Need To Type Out Your Claims For Discussion yet?

Or do I need to type out that you need to "Type Out Your Claims For discussion" again?

Most military secret-keeping occurs in order to conceal the capability of the equipment involved and the nature of military procedures. It prevents a potential enemy from using public information to craft an attack around our limitations. My experience with classified information suggests that it is almost never kept secret for the reason that other people suppose.

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That, and add to that that if there is this huge conspiracy about UFO's- why did this tape get declassified if it's supposedly this "smoking gun" in the UFOlogists favor?

The head traffic controller at Edwards said if it were a top secret object of our own, he would have been notified. No, actually he said he would have HAD to have been notified to keep other aircraft away from it. Also, at one point one of the objects was over the runway.. I doubt we'd do that if we wanted to keep it hidden. It just makes no sense for it to be our own.

Also, you are correct that these things were never hostile. We still scrambled an aircraft eventually that could never catch up with these UFOs. The really cool part is we could tell the difference between the UFO and the aircraft we sent out! (little joke).

It just makes no sense for it to be our own.

So what was it then?

We still scrambled an aircraft eventually that could never catch up with these UFOs.

And why would that be the case?

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So they flew these incredible (oval shapped objects with an unknown type of propulsion that still does not exist today) objects over Edwards AFB for HOURS because they wanted to keep it hidden?

I know this is the only logical "out" left for us, but it just isn't feasible at this situation. They would not fly experimental aircraft without notifying the tower, let alone in that area. Also, if the object seen was ours and classified top secret (along with the audio recordings) then why has this INCREDIBLE OBJECT not be revealed if the audio recordings have been de-classified? In other words - where are these incredible objects?

It's simply unbelievable to me that this was anything we could have made then, or EVEN TODAY. Furthermore this case has been de-classified yet there is nothing in our military that fits the description of these objects. If it was ours we'd know about it now.

It was a UFO and still is. They could not get as high as these UFO's were.

...because they wanted to keep it hidden?

You missed the point entirely. The reason why you think something was kept secret is almost never the real reason it was kept secret. You're assuming the reason it was classified is because it depicts some unknown flying object. Do you know the reason why it was classified? Or are you just assuming it's the reason that popped into your head?

...that fits the description of these objects.

"Objects?" How do you know it was an object in the sense you're thinking of?

If it was ours we'd know about it now.

So many presumptions behind this statement. That's how those sensationalist stories work.

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I didn't watch all the videos straight through, so maybe there was actually some evidence in there that I was missing... because I have to say that if you think about it, what we see in those videos is little more than hearsay. I mean... some guy swearing up and down that he saw strange lights in the sky doesn't really carry the scientific burden of proof to come to such an extraordinary conclusion.

It was a UFO and still is.

So you place absolutely no limits on what it can or cannot be?

They could not get as high as these UFO's were.

And what does that imply, if anything?

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How do I know it was an object in the sense that I'm thinking of, when I'm talking about a UFO? You know, I'm not sure how to answer that one. Sorry.

Object, UFO, Flying Object, Flying Light, Flying Unicorn. Who knows. From a case like this, you'll never get anything more than it's "unknown". The reason I think it's the smoking gun is because of the fact that we actually took the time to classify it as top secret.

#1. No.
#2. It implies our aircraft at that time could not keep up with it.

Yeah, you did not watch all the videos. I know it's long but it's still a great UFO story when you get the chance.

You know, I'm not sure how to answer that one. Sorry.

You seem to imply they were piloted vehicles, though not necessarily from Earth. Is that what you believe?

Is it your contention that the observed behavior of these objects is supposed to be congruent with a piloted vehicle?

The reason I think it's the smoking gun is because of the fact that we actually took the time to classify it as top secret.

Do you know why it was classifed? Yes or no.

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Oh, I certainly am open to the possibility that this was from outside the earth. Especially when you consider what type of vehicle it would take to arrive here from such (probable) great distances. Something similar to what is being described.

And, as for why they say it was classified - no I don't know what reason. We are only left to guess.