'Cause it's so hard to find something that doesn't exist.

Let's see you do it.

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Because GRB's actually exist.

Scientists can find the rogue planet, they just haven't told anyone about it because they're all part of the sinister cover-up.

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Know what 01101001, I will prove it to you.... Once I travel through time and come back here to tell everyone that Nibiru is really going to hit us.

I know this is meant as joke, but for something that is supposed to be massive and this close, the cover-up would have to involve pretty much every skywatcher in the world, not just a limited group of scientists.

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Yum.

(I am sooooo sorry. I could not resist.)

That hasn't stopped conspiracy theorists from saying there's a massive cover-up, though. They're not usually known for being logical and rational.

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Look I am very new to these forums, and frankly this is my first post. I came here for the most part to further my interest in Astronomy and while doing so came across a wealth of information about Nibiru.

Now I have a good memory having somewhat of a law enforcement oriented background I have a knack for connecting dots. I am goind to submit something to you and see what you think. Because I am curious about this subject and I would like to try and keep this grounded in as much fact as possible rather than silliness or speculation.

So here goes.

When I look at the topic of Nibiru I can see there is ALOT of speculators, frauds, and other such nelflings out there preaching gloom and doom.

But in fairness.... I remember very vividly NASA coming forward in 2003 saying they had indeed discovered a new planet. I do not recall the details, but one thing that stands out starkly in my mind was a photograph that showed a black planet (black round object) surrounded by a heavily pixilated red background almost like it was snapped using a radio telescope....I am new at this so forgive my ignorance. But I have clear memories of a gentleman in a grey sportscoat with greying hair and glasses pointing to this picture on an easil.

Now the most information I can piece together regarding this planet is that it is suppose to pass between the earth and the sun and will come with it's most gravitational effect somewhere in October 2012.

The most convincing of the people I read about out there on the web says that he was on the original team that classified the planet's existance and all relevant data supported that the planet was real was quickly classified by the US Airforce. He further claims that his plot of the planets course comes from calculations he and his team pieced together before the project was classified. He further claimed that the planet might have been made of darkmatter, or that the planet itself was surface comprised of non reflective material.

Now the interesting part for me anyway......

Why the urgent creation of the Svalbard Seed Vault. Why is every nation in the world rushing to fill it with tonnes of seeds, genetic plant inforation and research data on the most bio deverse crops in the world. Why is the completion date for the project listed as Dec of 2011. Why the urgency.

Bees have been going missing around the world in the last while. Here in Canada where I live out of the 78000 hives in Ontairo alone they have lost well over 60% of the known hives. Where are they going? I had read many speculations on the subject. There are more theories out there than cars. But I know that bees hibernate well. Then it occured to me. If so many nations are commiting hundreds of thousands of tonnes of seeds in all sorts of crop types to this self named disaster vault, then when it comes time to use them.....how would you polinate the crops if there were such an event that would make this vault come into its purpose. Then it occured to me that it is only logical that they would need bees.

Either way it concerns me..... But instead of trying to look for the planet as a body....why not try and find what it might be blocking. If it is darkmatter or a dark planet in nature, then it might be visiable more readily if we search for what might be missing as opposed to what is there.

Either way it was fun to have your ear and just thought I would chuck my two cents in.

There is no planet coming from outside earths orbit to any point between sun and earth. It's gravitational influences would have been detected long ago.
An antimatter object could not survive in a solar system of normal matter, nor could it be invisible - the annihilation flashes of the collisions with normal matter would be quite obvious.
It's just another End-of-the-world fearmongering nonsense.

I can think of several possible explanations for this memory. One is that it was one of the big trans-Neptunian objects. Quaoar was discovered in 2002, and Orcus in 2004, could you be slightly off on the date perhaps?

The other possibility is that it was an extrasolar planet, in which case the "photo" would likely just be an artists interpretation of what it might look like.

Are you 100% certain that it was NASA making the announcement? The astronomical community is far wider in scope than just one US organization.

When you say "piece together", do you mean based on your memory of the press conference, or are you inferring a connection with the various Planet X stories that had been around long before 2003? What is the source of your rather high degree of certainty regarding the date given the fuzziness of the rest of your recollection?

What makes him convincing in your eyes?

What effect do you think "classification" of observational data would have on non-US astronomers? If the cat was out of the bag about something as momentous as this, and the feline would most certainly have left the building if it was as public as a press conference you saw on TV, then why didn't anybody else independently verify the existence of this object?

I'm afraid this just indicates that your faith in the veracity of this person is misplaced. Dark matter is a much more elusive material than this allegation asserts, and most certainly doesn't form objects that could be directly seen through a telescope.

What leads you to believe it is urgent? On the contrary, the seed vault project has been mooted for years, and it is currently struggling for continued funding.

The cause of the bee dieoff, while very alarming, is well known, particularly to apiarists. I happen to live in the only place in the world that does not suffer from the problem at present, which is caused by a parasitic mite called Varroa destructor, which originated in Asia but has been widely spread around the world in recent years. There is nothing mysterious about this, various conspiracy theories or Gaia hypotheses notwithstanding.

But why would feral hives be dying off at the same time? It's not that bees are mysteriously being abducted by Men in Black, it's that the hives are dying due to mite infestation. This is well established.

Can you explain what you mean by this, particularly in light of the above?

ETA: Welcome to the board.

The Doctor knows where the bees are going.

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There sure is.

NASA did not announce any new planets in 2003. You might be thinking of the 2005 announcement of the dwarf planet Eris that was first discovered by a non-NASA team at Palomar in 2003. Eris is further from the sun than Pluto, and will remain in the dark and cold.

Where did you get that information? This is a claim for the fabled Nibiru.

What did you find convincing about this claim? What makes it different from the rest of the stuff by "speculators, frauds, and other such nelflings out there preaching gloom and doom" you mentioned?

Physically, that doesn't make sense.

Urgent? There's been a Nordic Gene Bank in Svalbard since 1984.

Are you suggesting somebody is stealing bees over large areas of land?

Welcome to BAUT. You seem to have a combination of a confused recollection (possibly the Eris announcement, possibly another TNO discovery), some Nibiru tall tales you heard and unrelated issues (loss of honey bee population)

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Yes, I thought of the Doctor Who reference too.

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You're right, he could also be thinking of an exoplanet discovery, which, of course, wouldn't be relevant to our solar system. But I'm guessing it's Eris, since that comes up a lot in "Planet X" discussions even though it is a small ice world that bears little relation to the fabled Nibiru super-planet.

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Could also have been a KBO if the timing was a bit out - Quaoar was the first of the big KBOs and helped kick start the whole "Is Pluto really a planet" debate that came to a head with Eris.

Hi, cmcdermid5. Welcome to the board.

Look I am very new to these forums, and frankly this is my first post. I came here for the most part to further my interest in Astronomy and while doing so came across a wealth of information about Nibiru.

Just remember: "information" on the Web varies from established fact to outright fabrication. A lot of very slick Web sites promote the latter.

Now I have a good memory having somewhat of a law enforcement oriented background I have a knack for connecting dots. I am goind to submit something to you and see what you think. Because I am curious about this subject and I would like to try and keep this grounded in as much fact as possible rather than silliness or speculation.

So here goes.

When I look at the topic of Nibiru I can see there is ALOT of speculators, frauds, and other such nelflings out there preaching gloom and doom.

Yes. Many of them are the same ones who were predicting our doom with the Jupiter Effect, and the "Grand Alignment" and Y2k and the previous destruction of Earth by Nibiru/Planet X in 2003 and the startup of the Large Hadron Collider and a whole bunch of Raptures and...

But in fairness.... I remember very vividly NASA coming forward in 2003 saying they had indeed discovered a new planet. I do not recall the details, but one thing that stands out starkly in my mind was a photograph that showed a black planet (black round object) surrounded by a heavily pixilated red background almost like it was snapped using a radio telescope....I am new at this so forgive my ignorance. But I have clear memories of a gentleman in a grey sportscoat with greying hair and glasses pointing to this picture on an easil.

This actually sounds a great deal like the fuss made in 2003 about the 1983 IRAS discovery of certain galaxies highly luminous in the infrared, back during the previous peak of "Nibiru/PlanetX" nuttiness.

Now the most information I can piece together regarding this planet is that it is suppose to pass between the earth and the sun and will come with it's most gravitational effect somewhere in October 2012.

Nope. None of the real recently discovered "tenth planets" (actually smaller than Pluto, which is now longer officially called a planet) are coming anywhere near the inner solar system. At all.

The most convincing of the people I read about out there on the web says that he was on the original team that classified the planet's existance and all relevant data supported that the planet was real was quickly classified by the US Airforce.

His name? Credentials? Where was he working when he made this earth-shaking discovery?

He further claims that his plot of the planets course comes from calculations he and his team pieced together before the project was classified.

Yet he freely goes discussing classified information on the Web, eh...?

He further claimed that the planet might have been made of darkmatter, or that the planet itself was surface comprised of non reflective material.

Or maybe it was made of unobtanium. Or peanut butter. Either choice makes as much sense as this alleged claim by this alleged "scientist".

Now the interesting part for me anyway......

Why the urgent creation of the Svalbard Seed Vault. Why is every nation in the world rushing to fill it with tonnes of seeds, genetic plant inforation and research data on the most bio deverse crops in the world. Why is the completion date for the project listed as Dec of 2011. Why the urgency.

There are 1400 seed banks around the world (according to Wikipedia). This is the newest and fanciest, certainly, but there is nothing fundamentally new about this. As for the "completion date" - what is your reference?and why do you consider nearly four years a timescale of "urgency"?

Bees have been going missing around the world in the last while. Here in Canada where I live out of the 78000 hives in Ontairo alone they have lost well over 60% of the known hives. Where are they going? I had read many speculations on the subject. There are more theories out there than cars. But I know that bees hibernate well. Then it occured to me. If so many nations are commiting hundreds of thousands of tonnes of seeds in all sorts of crop types to this self named disaster vault, then when it comes time to use them.....how would you polinate the crops if there were such an event that would make this vault come into its purpose. Then it occured to me that it is only logical that they would need bees.

Er, are you suggesting colony collapse disorder is actually beenapping on a massive scale?

Either way it concerns me..... But instead of trying to look for the planet as a body....why not try and find what it might be blocking. If it is darkmatter or a dark planet in nature, then it might be visiable more readily if we search for what might be missing as opposed to what is there.

A good idea; occultations are a very important astronomical tool. So: if the good folks behind the "Planet X/Nibiru/2012" claims really think it will be around here in October 2012, they must have a very good idea of its orbital elements. Otherwise, there is no basis whatsoever for their claim.

Simple question: what, then, are the orbital elements for this object? It would be an almost trivial matter for any reasonably-equipped and appropriately-situated amateur astronomer to prove or disprove this notion.

Hint: if they tell you that "you can only see it from the South Pole", they are either lying or laughably ignorant of astronomy.

Either way it was fun to have your ear and just thought I would chuck my two cents in.

Hope this provides some food for thought. Stick around and enjoy the discussion!

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Good this may help you.

Yes there are, and many of them.

So you claim in 2003 they were able to image a planet inbound. You cannot name the program or the channel or the agency or the guy which made the claim, just some dude in a grey suit said so on TV, from 5 years ago, you think, but you cant really remember, you just retained a big impression.
Of what was really said. Maybe.

This is a real peach.
You pieced it together from where exactly?
You wont tell us where you got this info why exactly?
How come if it was imaged in 2003 it has not been seen since?
Where did it go? And how after traveling closer for 5 years is it not more visible? And even more, if this planet is capable of invisibility, why did it remain visible 5 years ago? Did it forget to switch on invisibility in 2003?

Yes which means that the US Air Force controls all professional and amateur astronomers worldwide. Yes, even in Russia, Afghanistan (there are a few), north Korea, China, etc. Yes the US Air Force must own them all. Do you really believe that? Even in countries which hate the US, still the US Air Force controls all of it astronomers both professional and amateur? Ooops sorry, I forgot, it became invisible after 2003.

Yet more anonymous claims, but no evidence. If such a course plot existed then it could be shared anonymously without risk to your source and we could all bask in the red glow of planet X. Yet it never happens. Dont you find this a little odd?

Working on it since 1983, isnt that real urgency?

OK heres where it gets really odd. Just a few moments of reflection should indicate that it would be far more efficient to cultivate your own hives for such a purpose rather than send the MIBs out hunting for wild bees.

My betters have already responded to many of these points, but really, you should consider the consequences of your clams a little more carefully.

Just my 2c.

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