I'm not up to speed on the whole orbital path of planetary bodies... But?

Has anybody or is there a know path of Planet X. As we have known date and a orbital period could we extrapelate past visits and place the relative location to earth.

Would we expect different natural disasters if the 'ex' arrived whislt earth was out.

Or would the duration of the visit be across an entire earth orbit and we gonna get more of the same past events.

Can Planet EX be the cause for the extinction of the Dinosaur.

Can the 3600year visits be identified in earth core samples? I would think evidence of massive natural disasters would be present on core samples around the world. And species of prehistoric animals have lived for millions of years with no problems.

I could hunt for answers but it better to ask.

Nibiru/"Planet X" doesn't exist, if it did exist there would be obvious evidence of its passage through the solar system and it would be easily visible.

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I could hunt for answers but it better to ask.

Hunt for answers by means of this board's search function ("nibiru" or "planet x") and you'll come up literally with dozens of threads where the topic has been heavily discussed.

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01101001 can add another to his list.

-v

Not yet, the year 2012 has yet to be mentioned by the OP

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I expect a fellow whose name can be said in base 2 will be here before too long to post a list of previous threads, but for now, here's a link to one of his previous posts containing the list:

2012 Article?

There is no evidence for a giant planet on a 3600 year orbit that will take it into the solar system now or ever.

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That will do -- until year 2012 rises above being more than a bit player in this topic.

(I think this is where I'm supposed to say, "Go ahead, make my day." But, "Welcome, Kevbro, to the friendly and educational BAUT Forum. Please enjoy your stay and, if it would please you, feel welcome to make my day -- or not," sounds so much nicer.)

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If the ex found Earth's new girlfriend wearing the ex's robe around the house and using her golf clubs, then I'm guessing 'Yes'.

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I't just the shops are offering good now payment deals on bigscreen TVs and stuff, and I thought if the world was gonna end I may as weel watch it in HD.

But since no mankind limiting event is gonna occur within the 'NO Interest' 'NO payment' period, it's probably not a good idea to get stuff on HP then?

Nah - just go to the top of a big hill and wait. That way, you get some exercise AND you don't have to worry that the networks will hire some hack to do the colour commentary.

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I don't know if you're being serious or not, but assuming you're serious, I'd say putting yourself in heavy debt would be a very bad idea. It's an effective way to mess up your life, even as the world goes on.

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G'day Kevbro, and welcome to the BAUT Forum.

As others have pointed out, Planet X in the form of a planet causing regular disasters on Earth doesn't exist. Given the claims about Planet X (like its supposed 3600 year orbit) we can make calculations about where it should be. And the problem for people touting Planet X is that it's nowhere to be seen.

Yes we could. Another problem - there's no evidence of Planet X visiting in the past, either.

Pardon? You mean at another point in its orbit?

Oka-a-a-ay, I think I know what you mean, but the second part of your sentence doesn't follow from the first part. Anyway, people promoting Planet X disasters aren't really clear on the point. They just suggest that Planet X visits the inner part of the Solar System every 3600 years, causing disasters on Earth.

Not if it doesn't exist! Seriously, though, the cause of the extinction of the dinosaurs has been (to me knowledge) narrowed down to either a meteor impact (Google "Chicxulub crater"), massive volcanic eruptions in what's now India, or a combination of the two events.

You just hit the nail on the head. If Planet X was causing disasters every 3600 years, there would have been more than one million such disasters in the Earth's history. Instead, the fossil record shows there have been about five or six mass extinctions in the Earth's history, and 5 is a little less than 1,000,000. This alone suggests that these sorts of disasters don't happen every 3600 years.

Well, you've found a bunch of people who know a lot about how silly most of the Planet X claims are.

If Planet X were to exist as the CTs propose and cause the damage they propose as regularly as they propose, then the orbits of planets and moons in the inner solar system would not be very regular or circular. Instead what we see is that the orbits of planets and moon across the solar system are generally very regular and circular especially in the inner solar system.

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Kevbro, welcome to BAUT.

If you accept modern scholars' interpretations of "Nibiru" you'll find it identified with Jupiter.

Personally, if I can't save up & pay cash for it I don't need it, but if I were you I wouldn't buy today pay tomorrow based on Jupiter in your 12th house with 3600yr returns; disaster insurance or no.



But do you think there's a conspiracy to misinterpret and distort some truth about planet x?

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Is there a conspiracy?

I do wonder whether there is a conspiracy to ignore the continuing detection of numerous solar system objects at every distance from NEOs out to the Kuiper belt, to ignore just how faint and small these objects are, and so to deduce that any really substantial object in a solar orbit which would enter the inner solar system within a few years would have shown up long ago.

I knew someone who thought the world was going to end soon, like by the end of the year, and she started spending all her money on impractical stuff. Well, the world didn't end that year and she ended up in serious debt. She had collection agencies after her and everything. Definitely don't start spending money recklessly just because of a conspiracy theory like Planet X.

Um... say what? Is the conspiracy to ignore the dangers of possible collision threats or to ignore how remotely unlikely such collisions might be?

We don't need Nibiru - one of the Horseshoe asteroids needs only the tiniest of nudges to perturb it's orbit into one that intersects Earth. It could happen well around the orbital track from Earth & so we wouldn't notice until very late in the day when we realised that instead of achieving perihelion a few thousand km's out it was going to keep coming.

The unusual we'd probably see a long way off - who's watching the horseshoes?

If you're unsure what Horseshoe orbits are check Asteroid 3753 (1986TO) or 54509 YORP achieves close approach in a couple of months time... 3573 is supposed to be something like 5Km's across - should make a tidy splash.

More reading at http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1565.pdf

Seems to be enough to worry about with real threats rather than those coming out of legend & myth.

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Acolyte , please don't feed the trolls.

I don't think agingjb's post was trolling at all.

I think he/she was commenting that any Nibiru conspiracist is conveniently overlooking the fact that we regularly detect considerably smaller bodies to a very great distance - accordingly, these theories are ignoring the fact that any body with the stated properties of Nibiru would have been detected many years ago, by astronomers across the world.

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<chuckle>

You completely misunderstood...

Although I agree with Acolyte's logical post- you KNOW that a bunch of TU-24 types are going to latch on to his statements and we will see www.deathbyhorseshoe.com sites now

Sigh. (But thanks AGN FUEL). Every week yet another post is made asserting that someone is "really really" frightened by some invented threat. But I point out just how much contrary evidence there is, and I'm the troll.

I'll be blunt. I don't believe that all of these apparently naive posts are sincere, and, were I a moderator, I would at least consider the possibility that some of them are co-ordinated.

Hmmm.. Ok- To Further Clarify: The Trolls I was referring to are those who will read things in Acolytes post that he didn't intend.
Definitely not agingjb.

And thanks Neverfly as well.

Hey jb, I was actually querying what you meant in your post as, to me, it wasn't clear which way to read it.

And I didn't think about troll feeding - still it might help someone get in touch with the real world if they go looking.

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To be blunt, a lot of folks out there do not care about the real world.
We could speculate as to what their motivations are, but in the end, they have something to gain by claiming Doomsday Prohpecies and are not likely to be logical.

I made my "Don't feed the Trolls" post in complete humor, don't get me wrong.
The trolls will find whatever cherry picked information they think will support their claims, regardless of what other people say.

So I can't sell tickets to watch the trolls trying to get their tiny domes around the orbital characteristics of Horseshoes? I thought that would be a money maker for sure...

*grumble, grumble*

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Thanks Peter B for actually answering my questions in a sincere and genuine manor.
My point was if 'the end is nigh' then it's a good opertunity to get into debt. Like the creditors are gonna knock on your door to repo stuff just before a giant tsunami takes us out.

Long ago I read a theory that the earth was actually much smaller. Didn't have any oceans, and was just one land mass. Dinosaurs lived here too.
Notably a smaller gravitational pull allowed for large creatures to develop.
But an event occured which wiped out the dinosaurs and caused the earth to grow and gain mass.
This meant a big heavy thing landed and made a biggish hole that contributed to an increase in size and mass of the planet.
Now what are the arguments for this one.
I think the idea was floated by the creator of marvil comics, but I'm not a comic geek so one of the many that post 7000 plus and generally don't say anything would know more detail. But again not actually say anything....

The problem is that if the world doesn't end then you are mightily screwed as as a large number of repo men show up and take all your stuff, possibly including your kneecaps if you made some particularly bad choices.
I think that falls into the "Not even wrong" category of geology. It sounds like some strange mutation of the "expanding earth" set of theories (search here for discussion of them) which to say the least have significant problems.

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It sounds like you're conflating the K-T Impact
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis

with the creation of the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Formation

Two very, very different events. For one, the impact that reworked (as in turned the entire surface into magma) the Earth and formed the Moon occurred billions of years before any life arose on the Earth.

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Why is it that scientists can find a GRB (Gamma Ray Burst for those who don't know) at over 18 billion light years away, but they can't find a "rogue" plant that is due to fly-by or collide with us in a little over 4 years?