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Old 14-May-2008, 11:08 AM
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Cool UFO files released by the UK government

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Secret files on UFO sightings have been made available for the first time by the Ministry of Defence.

The documents, which can be downloaded from the National Archives website, cover the period from 1978 to 1987.

They include accounts of strange lights in the sky and unexplained objects being spotted by the public, armed forces and police officers.

One man explained in great detail his "physical and psychic contact" with green aliens since he was a child.

The writer said that one of them, called Algar, was killed in 1981 by another race of beings as he was about to make contact with the UK government.

The letter's author said he visited their bases in the Wirral and Cheshire, while his wife reported seeing a UFO shot down over Wallasey on Merseyside.

The eight released files are part of almost 200 files set to be made available over the next four years.
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These documents will be available to download for free for the first month.
This is a conspiracy to raise money, after a month. How much do you suppose they will rake in
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Old 14-May-2008, 11:27 AM
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I personally liked this paragraph best:

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A further document reveals how, on 21 February 1982, a group of customers and staff at a Tunbridge Wells pub reported an unknown object with green and red flashing lights - seen heading in the direction of Gatwick airport.
UFO, definitely!
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Old 14-May-2008, 11:37 AM
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And strangely, the site doesn't actually have a link to the 8 documents. Nor does having a brief look at the National Archives site.

And are we really expected to believe that in all that time there were only 208 sightings?

It's, (to use an English term) Bollocks.
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Old 14-May-2008, 11:49 AM
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I personally liked this paragraph best:



UFO, definitely!
And, let me guess, what disturbed them the most was that they could not explain why those Aliens wrote British Airways on their UFO?
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Old 14-May-2008, 12:15 PM
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Shhh, it's all a conspiracy! BA is obviously in on this.

Blue Collar Scientist has a link and some analysis.
http://bluecollarscientist.com/2008/...ies-ufo-files/

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Old 14-May-2008, 12:34 PM
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Not directly related but have you heard that the Vatican State stated yesterday that the existance of aliens would not be a problem for the Church because, after all, aliens are/were/would be/could be created by the same God ?

Add to this that Nasa today is going to make some sort of announcement concerning the Cassini mission and well it makes you think.

Personally, i think its just a coincedence but it sure make for an interesting time if... I wont say it.
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Old 14-May-2008, 12:40 PM
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Yes, I have.

Personally, I think that the Vatican's official astronomer is quite on top of things. He's certainly timed this with Cassini, in the hope we would find something.
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Old 14-May-2008, 01:03 PM
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Sorry jokergirl, missed that one ! will check better next time.
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Old 14-May-2008, 01:44 PM
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You need to read the followup link by David Clarke. Clarke is very knowledgable on the UFO subject and has written a lot about it. He approaches it from a skeptical viewpoint, which prevents him from falling into the conspiracy trap most UFOlogists like to fall into when things don't go their way. Obviously, he feels there is little to these files.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7398784.stm
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Re Cassini, without looking around isn't going to be set to crash?
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It makes one think though, that if there were so little to them, after 20-30yrs, why then release them in a series of batches over the next few years?

At least Clarke points out that a hard core of 5-10% can not be explained and that the reports by RAF pilots and civil aircrew were "rarely" investigated further.

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Old 14-May-2008, 01:55 PM
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Reading and interesting article somewhere when an English Electric Lightning came up unsuspected on a SR71 over the UK. Tried for a closer look but the 71 opened up and disappeared. Seeing as it was over friendly territory and all electronics were off (spotting the Lightening visually) I wonder how many military mentions are based around such incidents?
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At least Clarke points out that a hard core of 5-10% can not be explained and that the reports by RAF pilots and civil aircrew were "rarely" investigated further.
I'm so desperately tired of that 5-10%. It's always "cannot" be explained. It's never "isn't" explained. It's never "cannot be explained with available information." After all, if all you had from me was a vague description of some lights, and I couldn't tell you for sure what time it was, what direction it came from, and possibly even what day it was, would you be able to identify what I was talking about?
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Re Cassini, without looking around isn't going to be set to crash?
Cassini is in orbit around Saturn.

Did you by chance mean the Phoenix mission, which is due to land on Mars this month?

If so, we all hope it doesn't crash.
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Cassini is in orbit around Saturn.

Did you by chance mean the Phoenix mission, which is due to land on Mars this month?

If so, we all hope it doesn't crash.
Yeah, I know where it it is (not having a go BTW), just something I picked up on for end of life. Just the comment on cassini and NASA announcements above made me wonder if its time?
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I'm so desperately tired of that 5-10%. It's always "cannot" be explained. It's never "isn't" explained. It's never "cannot be explained with available information." After all, if all you had from me was a vague description of some lights, and I couldn't tell you for sure what time it was, what direction it came from, and possibly even what day it was, would you be able to identify what I was talking about?
Ah, but how entertaining is that? It's more fun to say, "Cannot be explained!" as you strike some jarring chords in an off key. Unfortunately, there's enough people out there who truly believe that a lack of data constitutes as proof of something extraordinary.
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Old 14-May-2008, 05:14 PM
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I listened to an interview with Nick Pope late last year or early this year on C to C.
He indicated that not all of the UFO events will be made public. Nick said that some events were to remain classified and if I remember correctly he wouldn't give a direct answer as to why. Art then asked him if there were any of the continued classified UFO incidents that he himself (Art) would find shocking should they be disclosed to him. Nick answered yes. I'm sorry I cannot give exact quotes. I just don't think it would be appropriate to guess. That was the gist of that conversation though--joe
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Not directly related but have you heard that the Vatican State stated yesterday that the existance of aliens would not be a problem for the Church because, after all, aliens are/were/would be/could be created by the same God ?

Add to this that Nasa today is going to make some sort of announcement concerning the Cassini mission and well it makes you think.

Personally, i think its just a coincedence but it sure make for an interesting time if... I wont say it.

I thought the Vatican made that statement many years ago.

What is it that NASA is supposed to announce about the Cassini mission, and why does it even rise to the level of coincidence?

Is this another one of those inscrutable "connect the dots" conspiracy theories?
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Yeah, I know where it it is (not having a go BTW), just something I picked up on for end of life. Just the comment on cassini and NASA announcements above made me wonder if its time?
Opsy. Ignore. Todays statement from NASA appears to be about Chandra and a supernova?
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why then release them in a series of batches over the next few years?
This appears to be nothing more than an attempt to avoid congestion on the website. If they released them all at once, for free, the site would be so slow as to be useless. There was a similar problem with the online release of the UK's 1901 census, which quickly froze because of all the interest in amateur geneaology.

I've read the Rendlesham documents- if they are all like that, the interesting stuff is buried beneath an avalanche of nonsense.
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