Polar Shift in 2012?

Frenchman9012 · #1 (**permalink**) 29-August-2008, 05:53 PM

The discovery of Sagittarius A, the massive black hole believed to be the starting point of the milky way, has brought new issues of planetary alignment and polar shift into question. I saw on the History channel the other day that a planetary alignment will happen in 2012 that occurs only once every 26,500 years. The earth, sun and Sagittarius A will be aligned in such a way that the gravitational pull on Earth will be at a maximum. Several scientists believe a sudden polar shift is possible. Others believe Earth's mantle is even now shifting and will continue to shift at a faster pace. They cite the increase in natural disasters as evidence and predict even worse disasters leading up to the alignment at which time the Earth's mantle will complete its adjustment to the new axis. These scientists also claim to have evidence that the earth has experienced polar shift in the past (large forests buried under ice caps, etc). I didn't catch the name of the show and have been searching since to find more information.

What I did find out in my research is that the NOAA is struggling at the moment to declare the start of Solar Cycle 24 which was slated to begin in mid 2007 but now is pushed into 2009 making it the longest lull between solar cycles in recorded history. This has split the panel on future predictions with some expecting a very light SC24 and others expecting an extremely active one. Both sides agree however that the delay of SC24 is alarming and signals change.

With the alignment only a few years away I'm wondering why it's not getting more press or more scientific attention. Has anyone heard anything about this? Is polar shift happening or not? If it was would the goverment suppress this information? Please post.

Thank you,

Frenchman9012

LaurelHS · #2 (**permalink**) 29-August-2008, 06:20 PM

Try searching this forum for "pole shift" and/or "2012." You'll find some rational scientific discussion of the theories.

Stuart van Onselen · #3 (**permalink**) 29-August-2008, 06:38 PM

No scientist worth the name believes a word of that. None. I challenge you to find me one.

At a great enough distance, a black hole has absolutely no more gravitational effect than the equivalent mass in star-matter (or marshmallows, for that matter.) So the effect of Sagittarius A on Earth's alignment will be slightly less than the effect I would have if I braced my feet against bedrock and blew really hard.

Planetary alignments also mean sod-all in terms of "pole shift". Even if all the planets, asteroids, plutoids and comets of the entire solar system were to align, the gravity of the Sun would still dominate any activity by dozens of orders of magnitude. Once again, if I braced myself and sneezed hard, I'd have more effect on the Earth.

There is no increase in the rate of natural disasters. More people are being affected by disasters now, because there simply are more people on the planet, and they are more widely spread out. So more people will happen to be sitting at the site of a disaster when it happens.

And there are some very good, non-cataclysmic explanations for misplaced forests and ice-caps. Like plate techtonics, for example.

I don't know enough about solar weather patterns to know if anything strange is happening, or if this is just exaggeration. But even if something is wrong with the predictions made about a notoriously complex system, is there even a hint of any evidence that it has anything at all to do with this "alignment"?

So no, there will be no pole shift (unless a bunch of Polish change their voting patterns in 2012. That's one kind of Pole Shift.) (Stop him, stop him now, before he puns again!)

So there is no press or scientific attention being paid, because there is nothing to pay attention to. Nothing. Nada. Bupkis.

And finally: No, governments would not try to supress this, even if they could. What would be the point? So what if billions of people got killed in riots? Every last human on Earth would be dead by 2012 anyway!!! The "increase in disasters" some forsee would be way beyond anything you can imagine. For something as huge as a "pole shift" to happen in the few years between now and 2012, the energies involved would be stupendous. Life itself would be lucky to survive them. Puny humans would be squished like tomatos under a rock-slide.

So it's just as well it ain't gonna happen, innit?

Swift · #4 (**permalink**) 29-August-2008, 07:07 PM

Just to add to what Stuart said, the galactic center is so far away, and the motion of our solar system relatively small, that the difference in "alignment" between 2008 and 2012 is absolutely insignificant.

By the way Frenchman9012, welcome to BAUT. You might want to read the rules and the FAQs of this forum, particularly as they apply to Conspiracy Therories.

01101001 · #5 (**permalink**) 29-August-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frenchman9012

Has anyone heard anything about this?

Have we? We have!

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Originally Posted by LaurelHS

Try searching this forum for "pole shift" and/or "2012." You'll find some rational scientific discussion of the theories.

Oh, let me help. Here's some of the topics that have discussed predictions for the year 2012 in BAUT Forum as well as some related articles:

Universe Today: No Doomsday in 2012
Bad Astronomy Blog: 2012, the year nothing will happen
Universe Today: 2012: No Planet X
Universe Today: 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru
Universe Today: 2012: No Killer Solar Flare

Frenchman9012 · #6 (**permalink**) 29-August-2008, 07:52 PM

Thank you all for the replies, especially the links. I will have some fantastic reading to do. :-) I wasn't sure which forum to post this in. I apologize if I have voilated the forum rules. I will get it all figured out soon. Thank you for the welcome aboard. This site seems fascinating. I look forward to participating.

Frenchman9012

Swift · #7 (**permalink**) 29-August-2008, 07:58 PM

Frenchman9012,

Since 78 links is a lot go through, you might start with the first non-numbered Universe Today post (towards the bottom of the list) as a good place to start.

captain swoop · #8 (**permalink**) 30-August-2008, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Oh, let me help. Here's some of the topics that have discussed predictions for the year 2012 in BAUT Forum as well as some related articles:

|You live for this. lol!

Abaddon · #9 (**permalink**) 30-August-2008, 07:27 AM

01101001

What can I say?

Your lists are so good I regularly follow them myself and recommend them to others.

Good reading. Good job.

novaderrik · #10 (**permalink**) 30-August-2008, 10:01 AM

wait. .hold on.. i thought the increase in natural disasters was happening becasue i sometimes don't shut of the light when i leave a room and i drive a gas guzzling 34 year old car..
now i'm confused..

KaiYeves · #11 (**permalink**) 30-August-2008, 05:13 PM

Not one bloody week...

UltimoLukey · #12 (**permalink**) 31-August-2008, 03:37 AM

This isn't another Nibiru thing is it :|

Stuart van Onselen · #13 (**permalink**) 31-August-2008, 08:13 PM

Nibiru is real! The evidence is all around us! Especially on this site!

Nibiru is the name of an electronic pseudo-virus that induces symptoms of credulity, diminished capability of rational thought, and a pathological urge to relate one's delusions to as many people as possible.

ineluki · #14 (**permalink**) 01-September-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Frenchman9012

Is polar shift happening or not? If it was would the goverment suppress this information? Please post.

Of course it is true and the government is suppressing it.

Covering their interstellar travel with the TV-show "Stargate" worked well, but they made a book this time.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/pro...283155&s=books

It's obviously a ploy 2 discredit anyone who want's to expose the TRUTH.

KaiYeves · #15 (**permalink**) 01-September-2008, 06:17 PM

We know you're joking, ineluki, but what if Frenchman9012 doesn't?

Centaur · #16 (**permalink**) 01-September-2008, 07:51 PM

Welcome to the discussion group, Frenchman9012.

The History Channel used to provide a marvelous educational service. More recently they realized that if they were going to stay in business, they had to keep ratings up to encourage advertisers to give them money. That meant playing to a large audience of credulous woos and conspiracy theorists, and setting aside the standards of evidence demanded by more sophisticated viewers. So a cable channel that was once at the level of Scientific American has been descending to that of the National Enquirer. Don’t believe everything you see or hear in the media. Sensationalism rules nowadays. You are wise to have come here to discuss what you heard with clear thinking individuals. I hope you remain here for a long time.

MAPNUT · #17 (**permalink**) 02-September-2008, 08:05 PM

Pole reversals do occur, don't they, at something like 700,000-year intervals? The evidence is magnetic patterns in rocks. They happen gradually and would not necessarily be devastating. Pardon the off-the-cuff reply, I'm supposed to be working. Anybody have a factual summary?

Swift · #18 (**permalink**) 02-September-2008, 08:11 PM

Here is a good NASA site on pole shifts.

And this is a good site from the Geological Survey of Canada

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Reversals have been documented as far back as 330 million years. During that time more than 400 reversals have taken place, one roughly every 700,000 years on average. However, the time between reversals is not constant, varying from less than 100,000 years, to tens of millions of years. In recent geological times reversals have been occurring on average once every 200,000 years, but the last reversal occurred 780,000 years ago. At that time the magnetic field underwent a transition from a "reversed" state to its present "normal state".

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- Although fast by geological standards, reversals are by no means quick on the human time scale. They take roughly 5,000 years, with estimates ranging from 1,000 years and 8,000 years.

-Both the total magnetic field and its dipole component decrease substantially during a reversal to values that range from 10% to 25% of the pre-reversal strength.

- A reversal does not proceed in a uniform fashion. Large and rapid changes in direction and intensity are punctuated by periods of little change. During some transitions the field starts to change but then rebounds to near normal before the reversal finally goes to completion.