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Old 28-September-2008, 05:50 AM
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Exclamation All the Truth about 2012

We all heard about 2012.

So many Explanations and Stories.

I've heard stories about aliens, about astrology, about changing the
rhythm of time, Heaven on Earth, energies, other dimensions,
bad-stuff-happening, galactic-astrological-synchronizations, changes
in calenders, parties, and so many contradicting,
not-really-scientific, not-always-rational data.

I seek to explain the phenomenon, without stubborn rhetoric, without
any vague concepts, and without any energy / aliens / dimensional /
other-unproven-data (or at least considered unproven).

Having said that, I'll try to explain the 2012 phenomenon, or the
phenomenon of 2012 obsession.

1.
My first argument:
Numbers affect people.

People are charmed, for example, by certain numbers, and are afraid,
from other numbers, for a variety of reasons.
I don't claim everyone is charmed and afraid by numbers, but enough
people do, so in the global-scale, number do affect people, not
necessarily in the same manner.
(The number X can charm one person, deter another, and not affect
another two people, in a group of 4, for example).
I find it easy to be charmed by
12.21.2012
or
13.0.0.0.0
of the Mayan calender,
And I am charmed by the fact they are both the same day.

But I would like to focus more on dates and numbers that make people fear.
Some dates frighten some of us:
9.11.2001
or
9.1.1939

Some numbers that might frighten a Christian:
666
13
Or Jews:
6,000,000

2.
My second argument:
The 9 - 11 combination is problematic enough in order to become a date
of destruction.
(Sounds strange, but read it through).

I don't ask here to explain this, just to show this, but I'll try to
give an explanation nonetheless.
One possible explanation, is the common characteristic of 9 and 11.
They are both very close to 10, and this is what is common, and so
their combination emphasizes this.
10 is a very special number for the human psyche, and usually
symbolizes wholeness and completeness and perfection, not for a
mystical, or a numerological, or a really-stupid reason, but because
we have 10 fingers, and they are the base of our counting system, and
10 symbolizes the completeness of the counting, the 10 fingers, and
the 10 digits.
Those of us who look for grades will see a perfection in 10, since it
is the perfect grade.
Those of us who look for completeness in sexuality, and in the merging
of the opposites, will also see in 10 completeness, as 1 is the male
organ, 0 is the female organ, and 10 is their combination in one
complete whole perfect unity.
Those of us with religious upbringing can see 10 in the 10
commandments and other important symbols.
Symbolic connections between 9 and 11, are exactly what moves away
from that wholeness, and emphasizes the distinction from wholeness.
You might think I'm only talking about the WTC 9/11 case, but you'll
understand soon.

I don't think there has to be a cosmic force to make more destructions
on dates with 9 and 11, but somehow this combination affects enough
people for us to have more on such dates.
Maybe the explanation I gave for why this could happen doesn't
convince, but this is not the point, the point is that it is like
that, statistically, as we'll see in some detailed examples.
For simplicity, I'll use both the European style of writing dates -
day.month.year - E - and the North-American style - month.day.year - U.

You might think that finding 9's and 11's in the 20th century is not
so hard, but remember, the 20th century was the most bloody of them
all, which strengthens my theory.

Do you see any combinations between 9 and 11 in the following dates ?
(remember the mind reads digits one by one...)

WTC destruction:
9.11.2001 U

Crystal night, first major violent breakout before the holocaust,
became a memory of a day of destruction:
9.11.1938 E

WW2:
9.1.1939 U

Murder of Kennedy:
22.11.1963 E

Murder of Gandhi:
30.1.1938 E

Murder of Israel's prime minster, Rabin:
4.11.1995 E

Gulf War:
1.15.1991 U
15.1.1991 E

And there's more, but I think the list is enough.

Anyone who disagrees, and thinks I'm not convincing enough, is welcome
to present another pair of numbers, whose combination appears in so
many dates that became memories of destruction, and I think it is fair
to request that at least one of the numbers in the pair will be a
2-digit-number.
(Don't tell me 1 and 9, OK ?)

I don't think, and I don't claim, that this is total.
You have many dates with 9 and 11 without any problem, and you also
have destructions in other dates, but this is still a statistical
abnormality.

I'll soon show how the 9-11 combination became a destruction-date in
more than the Western calender to prove my point.
Before that, I'd like to talk a little about the American emergency
phone number
911

We usually think of it as
dial nine-one-one
But originally it was promoted as
dial nine-eleven.
A lot of people complained "they can't find the eleven" so they
changed the way they say it.
So originally the 9-11 combination also appeared in emergency cases.
And when do you call ?
When you are more away from the feeling or delusion that everything is
complete and perfect.
So once again, the 9-11 combination is connected in many persons'
minds with "something bad is happening".

You can also see something interesting with Roman numerations.
9 - IX
11 - XI
Again showing that the human mind sees them as "one away from 10",
while X is the most symmetric of all the Roman numerals (both
top-bottom and right-left symmetries, and 90 degrees rotation symmetry
if it's a "perfect" X.), and it's the only letter used (I,V,X,L,C,D,M)
that you can't write in one time without lifting the pen or going over
the same line twice, making it more "special" for the mind, two
symmetrical lines meeting each other in the middle.

Now I'll move to another calender:
The Hebrew Year of Judaism. One of the oldest calenders still in use.
It goes both by the sun and by the moon.

Unlike other calenders and traditions, the Jews somehow combined all
their major destruction stories, to one date that symbolizes destruction
The Ninth of AV.
While AV is the 11th month of the Hebrew year.
(The Hebrew calender / calenders have several new-years, but the most
common, and the only one used until today, is the one who starts the
year with a holiday called "The head of the year", in which the digit
of the years increases by one, and is in a month (always a new-moon
day) who is always 2 months after AV, and basically 10 months before
AV, making AV the 11th month, in a 12 months year, eventually making
the 9th of AV, as the 9th of the 11th Month.)

This is a list of destructions that are associated with that date,some
of them are made so by formal Jewish religious law,some are
historically documented, some are of an unknown enough source, and
even if some of it is made up (by others of course, not by me), it
still shows that there's a tendency of the mind to connect
destructions with 9-11-combination-dates:

The fall of the first temple.
(this in the bible appears in 2 places, one as 7th of AV, the other as
10th of AV, but formal Judaism is considering it as 9th of Av, and
this is the official day of fasting and mourning about it, which is
also obligatory, for religious Jews).

The fall of the second temple.

Destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans

Expulsion of Jews from Spain
1942
(A major event in Jewish history, highly documented).

Roman Jews are put in ghettos in Rome.
1555

Expulsion from England and in another year, from France.

First World War
1914
(Calculated by the date Germany declared war on Russia, and it became
a world war, WW1).

So what do we see ?
Nowadays, the 9-11 combination has become a date that symbolizes
destruction in more than one calender.

(There's more symmetry between the 9-11's of the Western and Hebrew
calenders main destruction date - the fall of The Temple,and the fall
of The Towers. Both in a mythological city - Jerusalem is the most
mythological city for the Jewish people, and NYC is deeply connected
to the American Dream, with its Statue of Liberty, welcoming the
immigrants, as well as possessing other American-Dream-Symbols, and
both destructions are on a 9-11 date in the year).

I can't be sure you're convinced why this is happening.
But it does.
Even if some of those destructions, or those dates, are pure
accidents, it causes more fear of those dates eventually.
And again, I'm not saying all destructions are on those dates. I don't
know the dates of the atomic bombing of Japan in the Japanese
calender, but I believe there's enough data to see that something is
going on.
And this finally concludes the second argument.

3.
My third argument:
Starting from 2012, we have much less dates with 9-11 combinations in
the Western calender, (which is the most important and globally used
calender).

In the 20th century, we had the most dates with such a combination.
In the beginning of the 21st, we have a little less.
Ever since 2012, the years don't give us any 11 at all, and we got a 9
in the years only once every 10 years, and in the 2090s which result
in 19 years with a 9 in the year, in all the century, compared to 100
years with a 9, in the 20th century.

So:
I.
If a combination between a 9 and an 11 causes destruction, then we'll
have less destructions.
II.
If such a combination makes people afraid, then we have less reasons
to fear.
III.
If you think such dates don't mean anything at all, then it wouldn't
get any worse, not because of this anyway.
IV.
If enough extreme people go crazy especially on such dates, then they
have less reasons to go crazy.

4.
My fourth argument:
All the spiritual, cultural, pseudo-scientific interest around the
change of 2012, is because of the 9-11 symbolism I showed.

Check out the date given to mark the change:
12.21.2012 U
21.12.2012 E

The year:
2012
Right after 2011, and shortly after 2009, just as they disappear from
the digits of the years.
The Month:
December
The 12th month, right after the 11th month and shortly after
September, just as they disappear from the digits of the months.
The day
21
Not one digit like a 9
Not 1X like an 11
not 20 like 9 + 11
The 21st day of the 12th month of the only year with a 12 in its
digits, in the 21st Century.
So much charm, so much completeness, and wholeness, and symmetry, and
even perfection. you got the 1 and 0 of the 10, next to each other.
you got nothing to remind of the "away from completeness" in this
date. Nothing to remind you of the 9-11 combinations.
no 9
12 and 21
right before 2013
and right before Christmas (never 9 or 11 on Christmas in the
day.month duo)
or 13.0.0.0.0
you got 12, 13, and 21, all can be seen as "going away from 11".
This is truly a nice charming date which symbolizes a drastic change
from a period we had many 9-11 combinations in the Western calender,
to a period with much much less.

One of the things 2012 theorists talk about, is the subject of time,
and the change of time, and the change of the perception of time. They
all fail to understand that what will really happen, is that as far as
dates go, time will affect us differently. This is the expected change
in our "connection with time".
Time will be much less frightening and much less dangerous.

One last thing.
If somehow I gave you a reason to think the coming 2009 and 2011 will
be horrible, this is not necessarily what I think. 1909 and 1911 were
not so nice as years, but certainly not the worst of the 20th century.
(We had more 9-11 combos in any year of the 20th century than is
expected in 2009 and 2011)
And even so, by 2013 it will be behind us.

I'd be more than happy to get interesting remarks, as long as they are
to the point, about my theory.

(please don't analyze my signature in your replies)

BLUE ELECTRIC MONKEY

Some more calculations for those interested:
I defined a "charming date" as a date made of only 3 digits (or less).
Like:
1.1.2000
1.2.2000
2.2.2000 (two digits)
and many more in 2000
and also
so much many
in
2001-2012
like
X.X.200X
10.10.2010
11.11.2011
12.12.2012

you got here 13 years with a lot of "charming dates", and even 13
years in a row, with a date in each year, with a certain number, that
appears both in the day, in the month, in the year, and in a "charming
date".

Now what happens in 2010-2012 ?
All "charming dates" in these 3 years, are with the same 3 digits: 0,1,2
Actually, we get 120 "charming dates" in these years, all with the
same 3 digits, and with no other "charming date" in the middle which
is made of a different combination of 3 digits.
(If you can't see why this doesn't happen in 2000-2002, or in
2020-2022, think of 3.3.2000 or 4.4.2022.)
All this period of 2000-2012, is with the most charm in numbers
possible since we started counting.
2100-2102 is the only next time in the coming millennium with 120
"charming dates in a row all from the same 3 digits". (you need 3
years in a row, all with the same 3 digits that you are talking about,
and all 3 digits appearing in all 3 years)
And when does the charm "end" this time ?
22.12.2012
This is the last of those 120 "charming dates". Right next to the
famous 21.12.2012 to whom the change of time is usually attributed.

After that, not only will time frighten us less, it will also charm us
less, making us over all less affected by time, and more "free" from it.
I also guess, that all this 2012 obsession nowadays, is strongly
connected to the fact that "This is the time that dates have charmed
us more than ever before". And after 2012, these kind of obsessions
will cool down, as Time charms us less and less, or frighten us with a
9-11 combo, less and less.

I always considered 21.12.2012 to be such a beautiful date, but now it
seems to me more as a beautiful period of time.
So many dates, in 3 years, all with same digits of the 21.12.2012.

And in 2013, the process is over.
2013 might appeal to the eye, consisting of 0,1,2,3 but these are 4
digits, not 3, and therefore no more "charming dates" until 2020,
(again, if this is how we define charm), and not a huge amount of them
until 2100-2102, and nothing quite like the charm of 2000-2012, the
biggest charm ever, past and future.
(you get some good charm in 1000-1012, but no "three years period of
the 'same' charm").

The bottom line:
Nothing like this 2000-2012 charm since ever we can really remember,
and nothing like we can predict in any sense of future, and with
nothing even coming close, until 2100-2102.
For all reasons mentioned, our time is the perfect
"time-dates-obsession-period".
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What you are describing is essentially Pareidolia, where the mind looks for patterns it can recognize.

It's agreeable, mostly, it's observable.

People do tend to single out that which catches their attention and disregard the rest. Even if it's a very tiny percentage.

Like "psychics."
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I personally do think there can be meaning in numbers, although pareidolia is always waiting to fool the person looking for connections.

An interesting thing about September is---wait for it---although it is now the 9th month it originally, in Roman times, was the 7th.

Quote:
September is the ninth month of the year in the Gregorian Calendar and one of four Gregorian months with 30 days. d In Latin, septem means "seven" and septimus means "seventh"; September was in fact the seventh month of the Roman calendar until 153 BC, when there was a calendar reform from the month of the Ides of March to the Kalends, or January 1.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September

which is considered an important number by some folk.
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Having said that, I'll try to explain the 2012 phenomenon, or the
phenomenon of 2012 obsession.
Here's a sample of BAUT Forum's obsession with the year of failed predictions, 2012, some of the topics, and allied articles:
  1. 2003 no, 2012 si
  2. 2012
  3. End of Mayan Calendar
  4. Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
  5. 2012 alignment question
  6. about the Mayan 2012 item
  7. 2012 Debunking?
  8. Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
  9. 2012 asteroid?
  10. We don't have to worry about 2012!
  11. More on 2012 from India Daily
  12. 2012 Completion of conspiracy?
  13. Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
  14. crop circles, Planet X and 2012
  15. Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
  16. According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
  17. More 2012 Nonsense
  18. NEO 2012?
  19. Dangerous NEO in 2012?
  20. Christmas 2012
  21. 2012 mayan calender end of world
  22. Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
  23. New 2012 threat?
  24. 2012 look at this thing on the sun
  25. Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
  26. Pole shift idea origins
  27. Dec 20 2012
  28. 2012 Stuff
  29. Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
  30. Date: December 21st 2012
  31. Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
  32. 2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
  33. So what will we see in 2012?
  34. Galactic Tsunami?
  35. Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
  36. Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
  37. 2012?
  38. Any truth to this?
  39. How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
  40. the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
  41. Planet X Official Advertisement
  42. What year are we in
  43. Quick question about the sun
  44. Galactic Alignment
  45. Books of 2012! -
  46. 2007 = 2012
  47. Return of Planet X By Rand
  48. Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
  49. Toutatis 4179: 2012?
  50. Galactic Alignment in 2012 ?
  51. Solar Storms
  52. A real prediction!
  53. NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER
  54. 2012 Galactic Alignment
  55. Not 2012 again! But I cant help it~
  56. New evidence for 2012 TEOTWAWKI!!!
  57. this may be a silly question but...
  58. Just to know if this is true
  59. Just Wondering...
  60. Planet X/Nibiru, is it real?
  61. Youv heard this a million times.
  62. Nibaru or Planet X
  63. Mayan calendar
  64. 2012 Article?
  65. can i say something please on planet x
  66. Nibiru
  67. The growing earth.... :P
  68. Our Solar System's Eclipse of the Galactic Plane on Dec 21, 2012?
  69. Something scaring the hell out of me....
  70. Its Only the end of the World AGAIN!!! (Woo Woo Alert)
  71. 2021 Doomsday
  72. is it just me or is the milky way brighter..?
  73. Polar Shift in 2012?
  74. I would like to ask about Nubiru stuff...
  75. Bit behind the times, my appologies...
  76. the "pole shift thing"
  77. All the Truth about 2012
Universe Today: No Doomsday in 2012
Bad Astronomy Blog: 2012, the year nothing will happen
Universe Today: 2012: No Planet X
Universe Today: 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru
Universe Today: 2012: No Killer Solar Flare

Numerology? Yawn.
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If 10 is good then eleven must be better!

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We all heard about 2012.

So many Explanations and Stories.
The most obvious explanation for it is that end of the world stories are popular with people, and always have been. See, for instance:

http://www.abhota.info/end1.htm

There isn't anything new or special about this one.
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i'll try answering you all.

To NeverFly:
The Term Pareidolia always refer to seeing something that is not really there, like hearing your cat in the rain, or seeing your teacher's face in the clouds.
You always need vague background, and a tendency for looking for patterns, in order to cause the hallucination.
What I'm doing is different.
I don't see only what I want and reject the rest.
Yes, I support my claim with evidence and explanations and examples, and in some examples you see that the 11/9-combo is not the most obvious one, like in 30.1.1948, but the very fact that I see a combo there, shows that another man could see it there in be affected as it may.
I also don't base my conclusion on hallucinations.
I go with sound logic, This is not numerology.
If you think that it's just me seeing my own set of patterns, you can answer my challenge. Show me two numbers, one of them at least with 2-digits, whose combination appears in so many dates that become a symbol of destruction.
And the analysis is math, not numerology, remember.
(no "9 means such and such" and "so does 7", I only show the pretty much accepted human liking of the 10).
I'm also not "fixed" on my idea as I develop it.
In the beginning I saw only the 9/11 relief of 2012, and in the middle of the writings I added the "charm of our time issue" part.

To frog:
I don't seek to show you that numbers affect people in a scientific way, but in a statistical way.
So many bad dates with these combos.
I also gave an explanation how could it be
Basically, the mind likes the 10, the 9/11 combo reminds him that it's not 10, a stress is building, and on the global scale, those tiny possible upgrades of stress might be the crucial amount of stress needed for violent outbreaks,
This sounds interesting, at best, but I show my claim with the statistics.
Yes, if we go in the street and I show you numbers in the sky you know it's just what i want to show you.
But working with math and logic, and a bull****-detector, is a different process form pareodilia.
About Sep being the originally the 7th month:
This is true of course, like October being the eighth (OCT=Eight),
And I guess all the western-calenders-destructions I mentioned took place after it became the 9th month.
It doesn't matter if it was originally the 7th. If the human mind sees a 9/11 in the present, that's the tiny potential affect.

to 01101001:
thanks, I'll look through it, see if we can expand the theory, or just contradict everything else.

To Van Rijn:
I think you are wrong. It is different. It's not just the same.
Yes, every few years many people believe the End of the World is coming, but this time it's not only a version of that, It's focused around time, and dates, and calenders. This is a new obsession. And i claim it is because we are in the 13 year period with the most charming dates ever, and I can show you mathematically, that both numbers that are known to appear as bad dates, and both dates which charm us, will be much less common, after the famous date of the obsession 21.12.2012.
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i'll try answering you all.

To NeverFly:
The Term Pareidolia always refer to seeing something that is not really there, like hearing your cat in the rain, or seeing your teacher's face in the clouds.
You always need vague background, and a tendency for looking for patterns, in order to cause the hallucination.
What I'm doing is different.
I don't see only what I want and reject the rest.
It would appear that you have misunderstood me.

I was agreeing that your idea demonstrates pareidolia is the case among believers.

I wasn't saying that you are suffering from pareidolia. Also, you're right. It smacks of numerology.
But you went into lengthy detail that clarified that is not necessarily the case.
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IMO , I think we just wait for 2012 .

and let's see what happens........

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IMO , I think we just wait for 2012 .

and let's see what happens........

I, for one, welcome our Reptilian Monkey Overlords.
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To frog:
I don't seek to show you that numbers affect people in a scientific way, but in a statistical way.
So many bad dates with these combos.
I also gave an explanation how could it be
Basically, the mind likes the 10, the 9/11 combo reminds him that it's not 10, a stress is building, and on the global scale, those tiny possible upgrades of stress might be the crucial amount of stress needed for violent outbreaks,
This sounds interesting, at best, but I show my claim with the statistics.
Yes, if we go in the street and I show you numbers in the sky you know it's just what i want to show you.
But working with math and logic, and a bull****-detector, is a different process form pareodilia.
About Sep being the originally the 7th month:
This is true of course, like October being the eighth (OCT=Eight),
And I guess all the western-calenders-destructions I mentioned took place after it became the 9th month.
It doesn't matter if it was originally the 7th. If the human mind sees a 9/11 in the present, that's the tiny potential affect.
oh, I wasn't disagreeing with you; I was just saying that September may be significant because it was the seventh month; it is now the ninth; maybe in a thousand years it will be the 14th; and then maybe 14 will be significant; who knows....

I don't know what to think about what is random; but I do think that there is structure, as in synchronicity; but there is also paredolia; which is just the brains way of seeing patterns that aren't there; like suddenly seeing lots of cars of the same make and colour, just because someone you know recently bought one of that make and colour.
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What this comes down to is pure nonsense. Let me ask, in a collection of 730 people is it really "odd" when 2 of them share the same birthday? How about in a collection of 365 is it odd that 2 people share the same "mirror image" birthday. The opening post is a fancy piece of nothing with no substance whatsoever.

ETA - What exactly does this have to do with space or astronomy?
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Old 28-September-2008, 03:36 PM
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Will I pay less tax?
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Mouses are accepted as payment.
There is no income tax refund, however. Assuming that you wanted it...
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No change there then, whenever I receive a tax a assessment I always feel they are taking the Mickey......

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I personally do think there can be meaning in numbers, although pareidolia is always waiting to fool the person looking for connections.

An interesting thing about September is---wait for it---although it is now the 9th month it originally, in Roman times, was the 7th.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September

which is considered an important number by some folk.
Are you saying what I think you're saying?

That terrorists are trying to destroy the beloved institution of 7/11 by associating it with destruction?

nooooooooooo!
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The numbers 9 and 11 aren't all bad. Carl Sagan was born on 11. 9. 1934.
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The numbers 9 and 11 aren't all bad. Carl Sagan was born on 11. 9. 1934.
Most certainly is. His baloney detection kit is the worst thing that ever happened to 2012, numerology and every other wooish CT you can think of.
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BLUEELECTRICMONKEY,
I'm really unclear as to what you are claiming. Are you claiming that something bad is actually going to happen on Dec. 21, 2012? Or are you just trying to explain why certain people think something is going to happen?

And what is the conspiracy?
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BLUEELECTRICMONKEY,
I'm really unclear as to what you are claiming. Are you claiming that something bad is actually going to happen on Dec. 21, 2012? Or are you just trying to explain why certain people think something is going to happen?

And what is the conspiracy?
His claim is that the human mind has a tendency toward pareidolia in regards to certain numbers, much the same as how we see faces in images, we see patterns in numbers that may not necessarily be there.
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I think people who put their name in ALLCAPS (TM) need to be listened to more than Neverfly ..i mean other people tee hee

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PS that is a fantastic "WALL OF TEXT"
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I think people who put there name in ALLCAPS (TM) need to be listened to more than Neverfly ..i mean other people tee hee

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PS that is a fantastic "WALL OF TEXT"
Well, I wasn't trying to rudely speak for him... But since he had stated his position twice, I was trying to save him the frustration of having to clarify himself again.
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Bolded because its a heck of a type to quote. Just a few points.
Anyone who disagrees, and thinks I'm not convincing enough, is welcome
to present another pair of numbers, whose combination appears in so
many dates that became memories of destruction, and I think it is fair
to request that at least one of the numbers in the pair will be a
2-digit-number.


Chance I say. That and having a 9 for a good few years in the date. And picking the dates to suit in some cases.
For example. Missing the second Sino japanese war missing. 7,7, 1937. Oh oh. 7's.

No doubting Crystal night was terrible. The wheels were already in motion. That I would have as a result of the nazi's coming to power some years before. Hitler chancellor 30 January 1933 Which also has the Reichstag fire, Feb 1933. Quite a major event. Night of the long knives? Another date with one 9.

Mikhail Gorbachev came to power 11 March 1985. Surly that was a heck of a start. The fall of communism led to many conflicts. I could go on.

I would also suggest that 1990 to 1999 being a tad unfair for this theory?

We usually think of it as
dial nine-one-one
But originally it was promoted as
dial nine-eleven.
A lot of people complained "they can't find the eleven" so they
changed the way they say it.
So originally the 9-11 combination also appeared in emergency cases.
And when do you call ?
When you are more away from the feeling or delusion that everything is
complete and perfect.
So once again, the 9-11 combination is connected in many persons'
minds with "something bad is happening".


In the US of course. 999 over here but there is a valid reason for that. Trying to make sense of what you say about "And when do you call?" Over here it is when your house is on fire or medical emergency.....


ETA hmm. Formatting copied as well?
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Bolded because its a heck of a type to quote. Just a few points.
[BSo once again, the 9-11 combination is connected in many persons'
minds with "something bad is happening".[/B]

In the US of course. 999 over here but there is a valid reason for that. Trying to make sense of what you say about "And when do you call?" Over here it is when your house is on fire or medical emergency.....
Here it is 000 - and 9/11 in the civilised world is written 11/9

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I seek to explain the phenomenon, without stubborn rhetoric, without
any vague concepts, and without any energy / aliens / dimensional /
other-unproven-data (or at least considered unproven).
OK, you failed.
You took some dates that supported your cause, but if you want to show some significance, you would need to show a complete list of important (and we would have to make up some criteria for that first) dates, and that 9/11 shows up more often than it should naturally.
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I look forward to 2012 and the end of all things.
Mostly because the planned National Speleological Society's Annual Convention will be held in a place that I love dearly. The theme is Mayan and the slogan will be "This is the last Convention You'll Ever Attend", as a play on both the 2012 silliness and the great event the staff have planned.

And yes, we will give preferential camping to our reptilian, Zetan, robot, Dobbsian, Illuminati or Chicago Cubs Word Series Champion overlords!
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I look forward to 2012 and the end of all things.
Mostly because the planned National Speleological Society's Annual Convention will be held in a place that I love dearly. The theme is Mayan and the slogan will be "This is the last Convention You'll Ever Attend", as a play on both the 2012 silliness and the great event the staff have planned.

And yes, we will give preferential camping to our reptilian, Zetan, robot, Dobbsian, Illuminati or Chicago Cubs Word Series Champion overlords!

Oh sure, you guys will survive, you'll be safe underground.
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Wow; all that stuff in the OP and one big relationship that wasn't mentioned.

The end of the 20th century was the beginning of the computer age, and 11 in binary is 3 which evenly divides into 9.

No, really. How many things in history don't conform to the numbers 9 and 11? Let me think...
Modern culture of about 500 years... 100 which is the 20th century.
So 0.8.
11 and 9 out of 12 months.
So 0.83
11, 9 and 19 out of ~30 days.
So 0.9
Which leaves only 59.76% of all modern culture events not conforming to some combination of those numbers.

Edit: and there's others... ex how many years with 9, 11,19 from 1500 to 1900.
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That's the debunking of numerology in a nutshell. It's based on preconceived (and often wildly wrong) notions of coincidence. Positional-magnitude number representations are based upon repeating patterns. Impose that onto other domains with repeated patterns (e.g., calendars) that are inharmonic with each other and you have a supersystem ripe with "coincidence."
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Which leaves only 59.76% of all modern culture events not conforming to some combination of those numbers.
ohmygosh. What's the second digit from the left in that number??! And if you take the FIRST and the LAST digitts and add them together, what do you get?!!! THAT'S RIGHT!! AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALL FALLING IN TO PLACE.

I suspect the you'll see the truth in the future, because that's when it will all be clear. All those CLOSEMINDED mainstreamers will have to eat thier words!!
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