Many people see unidentified flying objects. This is not synonymous with extraterrestrial space craft.

Watching a Peter Jennings show does not solve his case.

Saying he spoke to a retired Air Force General, who remains unnamed, confirming Corso's book is absolutely no evidence at all. This is the standard ploy of many who make extraordinary claims.

Who was the General? Does he even exist? If so, what first-hand evidence does he present?

galacsi, what exactly are you trying to point out? That he confirmed his information with retired air force general? Which one? And just because he was a general, or retired, or in the air force doesnt mean he was even privy to the information himself.

Okay, so he believed in UFOs before reading Col. Corso's book, but that's still not relevant to his former government position.

He says he started to take ufos seriously after Feb. 2005 on seeing Peter Jennings show on ufos. Shortly thereafter he reads Corso's book, then is on the ufo congress circuit in Sept. 2005 talking about bases on the moon and intergalatic war! Come on now!

...and none of that has a single thing to do with his position as a cabinet minister, which was what you said "was something." We have a ordinary man with a lifelong fascination with UFOs. He presents zero evidence from his high position to substantiate his claims. Hence the high position is irrelevant: he's just a regular man who believes in UFOs. End of story.

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No he did not have a life long fascination for UFO. He did see one and then after he got interested in the subject. And he had this discussion with a general. I think it is because of his function that this general talk with him of UFO.

Intergalactic is just a word like interplanetary or interstellar. Means nothing precisely.

Interplanetary means between planets. Interstellar means between stars. Intergalactic means between galaxies. Contrary to what you think, those words indeed have precise meanings to the people who use them.

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And he had this discussion with a general.

Prove it.

I think it is because of his function that this general talk with him of UFO.

What you think is irrelevant. What Hellyer can prove is all that's relevant. Prove he is more than just some guy who's interested in UFOs.

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They do, and they indicate very different scales of distance. Intergalactic war with little 'ole Earth is ludicrous, and shows the speaker doesn't understand the concepts. Worse, this incorrect use was common in old movies and TV shows. Here's the introduction to The Invaders:

(emphasis added) Imagine aliens starting in their own galaxy with many billions of star systems, picking our galaxy among all the others (if they can go between galaxies easily, they can choose others) and they just happen to find our one solar system out of the hundreds of billions of others. Then they decide to invade or declare war on us.

It doesn't make sense. So when this guy talks about "intergalactic war" it's obvious he doesn't get it, and it's probably based (directly or indirectly) on ideas from old movies and TV series.

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Thank you very much , that was a pleasure !

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I vaguely remembered that, but had to look it up. That's a Simpson's "Treehouse of Horror" reference (aliens invade, we use boards with nails). Which does sum this up nicely. Aliens can supposedly come from another solar system (or in this case, another galaxy!) and they're going to be worried about what we can do?

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Yeah, but those aliens didn't invade until humans had destroyed all the weapons on Earth.

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No sarcasm intended. What evidence can you present that Hellyer actually spoke with an Air Force general? You've proposed a motive and purpose for a meeting between two people you don't know, that may not have taken place.

You're proposing that we're judging Hellyer too harshly. Yet you've done nothing aside from imply that you uncritically believe everything he says.

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That's the pitter-patter of little feet running away.

These threads go anywhere anyway,it is a well known reality.I just made my point and think it was enough . I don't care if I disappoint you.

galacsi said:Even so, why not respond to JayUtah's last points?

I just made my point and think it was enough.

Of course it isn't enough.

You are trying to take us to task for questioning Paul Hellyer's credibility and claims. You are trying to make the objectively testable point that his claims "confirm" a theory of UFO sightings. If you propose to do that, you will need to do something more substantial than simply express your belief in him.

Please either concede that our criticism is well-founded, or provide the answers to the questions I asked.

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Galacsi,
We are only trying to objectively look at Hellyer's claims. You may believe what you choose, but if you make statements, you must either back them up or retract them.

In addition to the questions Jay and I and others have posed to you, consider these questions please:

Hellyer himself in your Wiki quote and other sources says he only began taking ufos seriously after seeing the Peter Jennings show on ufos in February of 2005. He afterwards reads Corso's book and says he spoke to a retired US Air Force General (unnamed) who confirmed it and more.

Then he, a few months later, makes a speech on extraterrestrials in Sept. of 2005 at an Exopolitics Congress .
source: http://www.exopolitics.org/Exo-Comment-38.htm

How can he do this is such a short time? He believes all these fantastic claims based on Corso's book. Are we to believe he just picks up the phone, contacts a retired Air Force General of a foreign power, who then confirms Corso's book and more, to him, a Canadian? Concerning a massive coverup? And of course, he must remain unnamed? And then Hellyer with this information promptly hits the ufo congress circuit and is hailed as the talk of the town? Does this seem logical to you?

Gee you guys give up fast in the face of intergalactic war. Haven't you seen Independence Day? All we need is Will Smith and a Nerd and we'll kick their buts back to Andromeda

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