"On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something."

Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop."

Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide.""

I presume this has been discussed in detail here but I can't find the thread. Can you point me in the right direction ?

Paul Hellyer...publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head."

"Real" means many things. What are they? Does Hellyer know? What evidence does he provide for his identification?

Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war..."

What evidence does Hellyer provide that any such war is imminent, or even possible?

Hellyer revealed, "The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop."

Isn't this an admission that Hellyer is "not in the loop?" Does Hellyer provide any inside information or analysis regarding the Roswell incident? As has been quite clearly established, there was a legitimate need to maintain a level of secrecy regarding the recovery of debris at Roswell. However, just because some secret is being kept doesn't mean it's the one you think it is.

Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens..."

Specifically what weapons?

He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon..."

And where may I read about the plans to build a military base on the Moon?

For someone in such a high position, he doesn't seem to have any better information than the man on the street. He expresses a lot of fear and speculation, but no information and evidence.

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Um...an "Intergalactic" War?!?!

If Marvin and the gang are crossing intergalactic distances, I rather doubt we could defend ourselves against them anyway.

I, for one, am prepared to start kissing serious alien fanny, if this is true...

thanks for the reply Jay but I only wanted to know if this has already been discussed here and, if so, where I can find the thread - as mentioned in the OP.

I dont' want to open up a thread about Hellyer for the exact reasons you mention.

Oh, my mistake. Searching on "Hellyer" produces a few comments here and there, but there doesn't seem to be a prior discussion of his claims in depth.

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Apolloman, I´m addressing the quote, not your person:

I have hardly heard something as stupid as this.

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I am so amused/appalled by the concept of an "intergalactic war" that I felt I had to say something.

I suspect that Mr. Hellyer doesn't even know what a galaxy is. I also suspect that any civilization advanced enough to travel between galaxies would have different priorities than waging "war" upon the civilizations in the other galaxy.

It is ignorance at best, and arrogance at worst, to project our own variety of monkey emotions and concerns onto hypothetical cosmic civilizations. We are hagridden by violent conflict and we assume the aliens will be as well. Authors write (and the public consumes) endless stories in which the evil BEMs ravage and pillage Earth; perhaps because that's what we would do if we could.

And now this precious little fellow thinks that the behavior of one species on one tiny planet could somehow spawn a conflict that spans billions of light years. This is like observing two dogs snarling at each other near the corner grocery store and saying they may very well start another world war.

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It's just apparent that Mr. Hellyer sadly lacks critical thinking skills.

Don't blame Canada.

Some links to get started:
Wikipedia: Paul Hellyer :: Peace in space and UFO advocacy
UFODigest: [...] Minister Of Defence Asks Canadian Parliament [...] To Hold Hearings On Relations With Alien "Et" Civilizations
The Ottawa Citizen: Alien technology the best hope to 'save our planet:' ex-defence boss

Some topics:
Exopolitics Journal - Vol 1:1
Canadian Minister Of Defence Says UFOs are Real; Warns Of 'Intergalactic War'...
UFO science key to halting climate change

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Besides, faced with such a threat, well, resistance is uselesss.

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Could we assume that a civilization advanced enough to travel vast distances would be able to stop anything we could throw at them. If they have been 'observing' us any length of time they would know how paranoid we are and not do anything to provoke us. If they are an aggressive race we would have already been defeated.

In my lowly opinion, not worth much in the grand scheme of things. IF there are 'Aliens' about, we should be safe from them and them from us.

Unless we are only seeing the scout ships and the Conquest fleet is still enroute. In that case I welcome our new Alien Overlords.

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Interesting is that what convinced Mr. Hellyer was not secret files he saw when in office, but rather a Peter Jenning's show on UFOs and most of all, Col. Philip Corso's book, "The Day After Roswell", from which he got most of his claims.

Corso's book isn't taken seriously by anyone.

source: http://www.skeptics.ca/news2005.html

Kind of sad. An old guy falling for Corso's book.

Well; let's see... How about the steak knives they are cleaning in the dishwasher. They could be used against aliens. Not effectively, but they could be used.
In fact, I'll even prepare thier nerf gun if they want me to.

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It would be fun if the aliens had a severe allergy to Nerf, and that was the ultimate weapon against them.

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Actually that'd suck. Have you ever tried to have a nerf gun war? In highschool we had "Senior Tag". Basically it was a team assassination game. $15 for a team of three got you in; school and work were out of bounds, anywhere else you were fair game. Surviving team got all the money. It's since been banned (I think) because--well, you can imagine how stupid we highschool kids could get with this stuff (shootouts from cars, stalking, etc).

ANYWAY... hitting someone with a nerf gun from more than 12 inches is a fairly luck-dependant endevor. Add even a slight wind, then you're having real fun.

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Which is why the DoPD (Department of Planetary Defense) is spending billions a year on smart Nerf weapons. You know, the ones with the little Nerf lasers in their noses, and the steerable Nerf vanes on the tails. I really look forward to the GPS-guided Nerf missiles.

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They've also contracted with a team of table magicians to help with camouflaging the ammo in one palm or another.

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well thats settled then... the usual ballony.

lets put it to rest and get this thread shutdown.

And, of course, "forward" means "up" in this case, I guess

Well, you wouldn't want them to spend all that money just to end up with a backward base, would you?

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oh man, this guy hellyer is koo-koo, and i feel embarrass that this guy is from the true north.
the rest of the words i wanted to use has escaped me,darn.
i never heard of this guy before,maybe he wanted his name out there.
Or it could just be after telling so many bedtime stories to his kids/grandkids he actually believes what he wants

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Never heard of this Guy before , thanks Apolloman for the information.

He was defense minister that's not nothing !

I listened to him on Youtube , seems quite sane !

Another confirmation of UFO reality IMO.

Hellyer believes in the "UFO reality" because he read a book, not because he was privy to any secret info (regarding UFOs) while he was a cabinet minister.

He admits he got convinced after reading Corso's book. Nobody believes Corso's book, not even ufologists like Stanton Friedman.

Being defense minister is irrelevant. This is an appeal to authority. If a defense minister says it, it must be true. Not so. He needs to provide proof like everyone else. He was never privy to secret documents while executing that function. He has no concrete proof of anything. Of course, because he was defense minister, he was immediately recruited to the ufo congress circus and paraded about.

Another? What "others" do you consider as a confirmation of UFO reality? (meaning not unidentified flying objects, but as I assume you mean, extraterrestrial spaceships)?

Well, Hellyer probably did handle secret documents.

He was defense minister that's not nothing !

Ad hominem. It's not nothing; it's just irrelevant to his claims. His UFO claims come from his having read and believed someone else's book. A fairly discredited book, at that. His status as a former defense official is relevant only if he can bring evidence from that experience to the question. If he could say, "Here's what we found when I was deputy Minister of Defence..." then he'd be more worth attention than any of the other thousands of readers who fell for Corso.

But that non-existent connection between Hellyer's former office and the claims he is now making is exactly what UFO proponents hope will continue to mislead people into thinking there is any substance to their rumors.

Another confirmation of UFO reality...

Real what?

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Sorry, I meant secret documents relevant to his extraordinary claim.

np

But really you'd think that just being a defense minister during the Cold War and serving in WWII would be enough to do the lecture circuit after retirement.

Yeah, "intergalactic" bothered me more than UFOs are "real".

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He must have noticed how much attention Ed Mitchell and Blossom Goodchild received. Just wanted his slice of the pie....sheesh.

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