Name the person at the center who showed you the catalogue and refused you permission to copy it.

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i believe his name was scott pierce. it was on a thursday that i visited a few months ago.

And what was Mr. Pierce's NASA job title?

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administrative assistant

tell him i say hi if you speak to him.

I can hardly tell anyone "hi" from you if you refuse to give us your identity.

However, now that you've pretended to answer some detailed questions about your claims, please explain why, when I asked for verification from NASA, you referred me to a facility operated by the unaffiliated Smithsonian Institution and told me all about the "NASA" people who worked there.

In fact the definitive repository is at the National Space Science Data Center at the NASA/Goddard facility in Maryland, where I know the people there and have done work for them.

Since you provided a false claim of substantiation and since the photo in question has been identified in NASA's unified timeline of the missions and does not match your claim, your claim is rejected.

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tell scott pierce to show the apollo photo catalougue. tell him that neno (pronounced knee-no) says hi. he'll know how i am and will gladly show you the photos and official nasa footnotes.

Explain why you answered all those questions under the wrong presumption that your source belonged to NASA.

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i never made awrong presumption. you made a wrong interpretation. the sources were all derived from nasa and are now being held in a secure smithsonian facility.

Why didn't you correct me when I asked for "Scott Pierce's" official capacity at NASA?

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i didn't notice the nasa tag. i just read your question of what his title was? or perhaps i thought it polite to not correct you.

the coolest spacecraft the aliens had was one in the shape of the greek letter omega. it was futuristic even by alien standards.

or perhaps i thought it polite to not correct you.

You waited to "correct" me until after I sprang the trap. The technique I used is a well-known interviewer's technique for detecting lies. I'm fairly certain you're being willfully deceptive at this point.

I asked you for a NASA source. And now, after all the backpedaling and goalpost-shifting is done, you hand me a Smithsonian source curated by a Smithsonian employee. I have identified the official NASA repository for space data information. Do you have a NASA source for the characterization you attribute to them?

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you keep forgetting i worked for the space program at the highest levels. trust me i know more about where these classified documents are secured than you do. what you've read since you don't have the same clearance as me is unclassified material. but its okay cause i've decided to share some of these things with you. just be patient friend. remember patientence is a virtue. and everything is relative.

you keep forgetting i worked for the space program at the highest levels.

And yet you still don't know how to measure radiation.

trust me i know more about where these classified documents are secured than you do.

Demonstrably you don't. You fell for a fairly elementary interview ploy.

what you've read since you don't have the same clearance as me is unclassified material.

Do you really think anyone believes you?

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LMEU, give evidence for claims already made.

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nasa claims that in this photo, the astronaut just finished parking the rover after a long drive away from the lunar module. how did the other astronaut get there before him?

This claim is simply wrong anyway. The ALSJ transcript shows that they had been stopped for several minutes before the image was taken.

you keep forgetting i worked for the space program at the highest levels.

I don't believe this for a second. You have made numerous errors of fact, your posting style is juvenile, and you clearly have no conception of how spaceflight in general really works. I have worked in the space business (17 years now), and been involved in civil, military, and commercial programs. I've worked for people who really were involved at high levels during Apollo, and to be perfectly blunt about it, your imitation is a mighty poor one.

trust me i know more about where these classified documents are secured than you do.

Baloney. You haven't provided the slightest evidence that such documents even exist. Your breathless, fact-free allegations do not impress me in the slightest.

what you've read since you don't have the same clearance as me is unclassified material.

You're building up a triple-decker baloney sandwich. Unlike (almost certainly) you, I really have a security clearance. Color me unimpressed by your claims to have to secret insider knowledge - a standard conspiracist's crutch.

but its okay cause i've decided to share some of these things with you. just be patient friend. remember patientence is a virtue. and everything is relative.

All you've shared so far is badly made-up conspiracy fluff, with lots of great revelations coming real soon now. Do you honestly believe you're fooling anyone?

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My guess is that you are correct. But I don't think the orbital parameters of this orbit would be similar to those for an orbit after lunar insertion. So although they are both "orbits" around moon, one is a true "one-body" orbit around moon and the other is probably just one asp of a "two-body" orbit around earth-moon system.

But I'm not a rocket scientist, just can do the math on some simple orbits

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You have made numerous errors of fact...

But the facts that manifest themselves to us mere mortals can, apparently, be trumped simply by saying that the space alien crack-heads only made it seem that way.

Color me unimpressed by your claims to have to secret insider knowledge - a standard conspiracist's crutch.

And the troll's crutch as well. Someone who claims to be an authoritative reference or witness to some alternate reality is limited only by his imagination.

But it's certainly amusing when people take the comical cloak-and-dagger approach to security.

If you read the fine print (well actually it's not very fine, but that's the legal figure of speech) on the documents you sign in order to get a security clearance, you get the impression that it boils down to, "If you reveal or fail adequately to safeguard these secrets, you're going to prison for a very long time." It hits home. People who subject themselves to these conditions take them very seriously. The threat of prison seems to work.

But LMEU fears for his very life. We're not talking about 20 years at Leavenworth in his case, but the fear that if he tells too much he'll just disappear. Now whether you believe him or not, you have to admit that the masters he says he serves are a lot harsher than the masters served by other holders of security clearances.

So what does LMEU do? Spill his guts on a public web forum! He admits to being an insider. He admits to telling us the contents of classified documents to which he has access. He promises more relevations to come. Nothing easily verified, of course -- that would put his life in danger. But certainly a wealth of detail. And apparently all he has to do in order to accomplish this safely is to withhold his real name. The space aliens can bend space and time, but they can't tell who's posting their most sacred secrets in a public forum unless he gives his name. Heck there were allegedly only 13 people involved. The process of elimination would work effectively.

It's not unlike David Percy refusing to reveal the true identity of "Una Ronald," although he has no problem showing her face in his film. Allegedly this secrecy is to protect "Una" against reprisals from powerful forces. But a face is good enough for the nearly omnipotent forces of NASA/CIA/Illuminati to find and dispatch her. The type of "anonymity" we see here doesn't really offer any real protection; it serves only to thwart critics of only modest means.

If the entirely-human RIAA can track down people who pirate music, the space-bending aliens can certainly find out LMEU's real identity, whether he gives his name or not. And since he's relying more and more upon personal claims of authority -- "Trust me, I was an insider and I know more about the truth than you by virtue of who I am" -- then his verifiable identity becomes more and more important to his claims.

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very good prima facia evidence that the LRVs did go to moon.

Also, undoubtedly, when they return to moon, the LRVs will be found up there in the correct places, plus the treadtracks of astronauts/LRVs. That will 100% put the issue to rest. I'm kind of surprised NASA hasn't already done this to quell these nonsensical moon hoaxers.

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I hate to tell you this, but no, it won't. Remember that there still exists a Flat Earth Society.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Don't forget, he also doesn't use capital letters. In some post he said that was key.

Another one of these CTs where the conspirators are both amazingly brilliant (in this case, they can bend the laws of physics), and amazingly stupid (can't trace someone breaking national/global/intergalactic security on a public forum).

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So what does LMEU do? Spill his guts on a public web forum! He admits to being an insider. He admits to telling us the contents of classified documents to which he has access. He promises more relevations to come.
So, in otherwords, these all-powerfull deceptors that hold people such as LMEU's life in their very coldhearted hands, don't keep tabs of what these same people are posting on public internet forums. Something that isn't overly complicated to trace.

It's the 'ol "THESE GUYS ARE ALL-POWERFULL! ...except for this one obvious loophole that any Joe-schmoe could have foreseen!"

Yes, very plausable.

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Ignore enough evidence and anything can be called mysterious or unexplained.

As a writer, I've thought of a story seed in which returning astronauts find no evidence of Apollo material at the landing sites, and the resultant controversy back on Earth. The problem is coming up with a decent explanation for how the material might have disappeared...

good point.

I wonder if there isn't another forum (psychology?) on which is discussed people who believe things contrary to their common senses of sight, sound, etc. We probably won't solve this one on BAUT forum.

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If they're imaged or visited by another NASA mission...NASA faked the images. It's even cheaper and easier with all the computers we have now.

If you brought them up there and showed them the sites with their own eyes...either some elaborate VR trick, or the conspiracy went up and planted fake Apollo vehicles and footprints/tracks at a more recent date.

If they can believe we didn't go to the moon now, there's nothing that can be done to convince them. A few of them, sure, but nothing will ever put it to rest entirely.

If they're imaged or visited by another NASA mission...NASA faked the images. It's even cheaper and easier with all the computers we have now.

We already had blast zones imaged by Clementine and Kaguya (which is a Japanese spacecraft).Nobody paid much attention to it.


If you brought them up there and showed them the sites with their own eyes...either some elaborate VR trick, or the conspiracy went up and planted fake Apollo vehicles and footprints/tracks at a more recent date.

Lol, somebody sent there a top-secret space shuttle which landed in an Armageddon-style and put artificial footprints.

I think the more accepted "theory" is that we sent up robots to do it all for us. The footprints, the ALSEP, the rovers, everything done by super-fancy robots.

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Robots using that same superbad computer technology of the day that allegedly made it impossible for the LEM to function?

dot dot dot

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