I think all are missing the point about hiding. Where else to hide a thing like this except in plain sight? We are then supposed to say "my, what an interesting rock that looks like a piece of wood!" NASA is thereby relieved of having to explain how a gang of railroad Coolies got a load of railroad ties to Mars with the secret help of Jules Verne and the Wright Brothers over a century ago. The truth would be embarrassing, especially since the Irish mission never made it with the rails (to the best of our knowledge).

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"To complete the picture all the photons can be seen to be synchronising friction on and off throughout the overall cone which itself is synchronised to the equal and opposite reaction of equilateral triangulation"... by a scientificator in ATM, too priceless to be lost to posterity.

Yes, but not for months on ends. After the first couple of days, post-landing, I sat back and just caught the odds and ends here and there, such as a bunch of dust/dirt covering the solar panels - they thought it was doomed, then a Martian windstorm blew in to save the day.

Stuff like that.

I never did catch the part where they say Mars had, er, "spherules."

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If we halt the ISS, all versions of Ares, and transport Orion and Altair aboard DIRECTv3's Jupiter family of Shuttle-Derived Launch Vehicles, we just might make it back to the Moon by 2020.

One look at a stereoimage of the "wooden log" reveals the it to be the exposed edge of a regular upturned slab of rock. You can clearly see the top of the slab, but it doesn't become obvious until you view it in 3d.



Cross your eyes until the images overlap. There should be 3 images and the middle one will be in 3d. Voila, the top of the slab becomes obvious, looks almost like a miniramp the rover drove over.

Sure it is not wood because there is no wood on Mars. But it look like wood and not like sandstone. Strange ! And didn't the rover roll over it? The traks on the dust make me think of that.

I am still gob-smacked. The Blueberries were the first big discovery, days after landing http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsr...20040204a.html . They were seen in the first close up image taken of the rocks where it landed http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsr...20040209a.html . Ther significance was recongised almost immediately http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsr...20040318a.html .They were the subject of frenzied discussion on most space fora for weeks, even months. They have been illustrated in almost every space and astronomy magazine I can think of.

I believe you, but I am still amazed that anyone with even a vague interest in Mars missions could have missed this.

Jon

Universe Today: Wood Plank Found on Mars?

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So, galacsi, are you the one to step up and say it's wood? Come on. Someone has to support this ATM idea or else the topic will die. If you're not sure, just make up data about the former Martian forest.

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We could always switch over to Norvegian Wood. Almost equally unbelievable, IMHO.

(warning, music video)

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i know what that is,its the statue of elvis on mars that was reported in the "sunday sport"



speaking of which,have any astronomers on here seen the london bus or the german bomber which were reported to be on the moon by the very same paper??

Don't know, but that's one I would read standing in the checkout aisles....Great stuff! So nice of those folks to provide stimulating reading material there. Someone should suggest they put a rack in the restrooms too.

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"To complete the picture all the photons can be seen to be synchronising friction on and off throughout the overall cone which itself is synchronised to the equal and opposite reaction of equilateral triangulation"... by a scientificator in ATM, too priceless to be lost to posterity.

From the front page of the Sunday Sport:

"Genius brains ponder meaning of all things."

This ought to be BAUTForum's official motto.

Edited to add: I don't know, that statue looks more like Neil Diamond than Elvis Presley.

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The bar has been lowered for the promotion of ATM ideas; the bar for the acceptance of ATM ideas must remain high.

Actually just the opposite. You have to uncross your eyes: Focus past them at a distant point until you draw any two corresponding points in the two images together. Also, you have the two reversed. Left should be right, and vice versa. It would be easier if the images were smaller. They are at about the extreme limit for unassisted 3D viewing, at least as they come up on my screen.

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"To complete the picture all the photons can be seen to be synchronising friction on and off throughout the overall cone which itself is synchronised to the equal and opposite reaction of equilateral triangulation"... by a scientificator in ATM, too priceless to be lost to posterity.

but did you see todays thought on the page??

"truth is but an enigma".
it is in that newspaper.

What you're describing is the parallel viewing technique, the opposite of cross-eye viewing, and for that you would have to reverse the left and right images. I made this for cross-eye viewing, which is a separate, but equally valid technique for unassisted stereo viewing. Personally I find parallel viewing much more difficult to master than cross-eye, which may be why it's at the extreme limit for 3d viewing for you. If not you can also step back farther from the monitor to get an easier view. Cross eye is a legitimate method though:
http://www.vision3d.com/3views.html

I'm kind of intrigued though- the conspiracy theorists don't think we made it to the moon, but the wood on mars is proof of vast forests as opposed to proof that this landing too was faked?


Woowoos never cease to confuse me.

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Alas no , I am not going to indulge you ! I am such a spoiler !

The reason I don't recommend the cross-eye technique is that it's useless on standard stereo views, which are really the only reason for learning free viewing. Otherwise you have to do as you have done and rearrange the pair--a great deal of trouble when going through a stack of images. Cross-eye is OK if you are making your own images for your own use; otherwise it only makes sense to put them in standard form. Personally, I find the cross-eye technique extremely difficult and the parallel easy, but that's probably a matter of eye training and practice.

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"To complete the picture all the photons can be seen to be synchronising friction on and off throughout the overall cone which itself is synchronised to the equal and opposite reaction of equilateral triangulation"... by a scientificator in ATM, too priceless to be lost to posterity.

Either way works, and for those of us with larger monitors, we don't have an interpupillary distance large enough for the relaxed approach.

By George, it is a slab!

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Hmmmm; I used to be excellent at the cross-eye technique, but now that I have glasses, it doesn't seem to work.

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heh...

well to help etting cross eyed I suggest a bottle of Scotch.

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I cannot fault your decision. There remains no good evidence for wood on Mars.

But... then, how can Staedtler sell a T-square made out of Mars wood (Staples office supplies)?

And, what's the deal with the Atlanta-area Marswood Hall (About)?

Mars wood: the secret is out!

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Of all the nerve! Staedler registered "Mars" as a trademark...

Can they do that??? Well, then I'm going to register the Sun!

..no way..

I don't even want to know.

Geez! A guy can't register anything, any more...

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oops missposted sorry

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Hmmm, looks more like Mel Gibson in "Beyond Thunderdome" to me.

Wow! The cross-eyed trick worked for me and darn if it doesn't look like a slab when you do that. Otherwise I'd step up and and defend it's woodyness, you know, to be fair. ( And "not-log" is a good name for it 011)

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Same here. It's one of the few "cross your eyes!" pics that actually work for me. Perhaps the scottle of botch, and the few whisks of drinky helped.

*pours another whisk of glassky*

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My own experience supports this...viewing them got easier when I got contacts. Or rather, the depth effect became more pronounced, and there was no annoying distortion from looking through lenses at an angle...

Anyway, I'll add my vote for the cross-eyed technique. It's not wrong or even "non standard", and the walleyed viewing method is more limited in terms of the image size you can use.

Slab or not I was laughing quite heartily by the end of this page. I have not been to many other forums where derailing (railroad tie, ha) the thread is a debate about how best to approach viewing an object such as this.

This is...I am glad to be hear, thank you all.

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Maybe it's not THAT off topic, but it still cracks me up!

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I've taken off my glasses, and could get a perspective lock now. Looks slabbish indeed.

Did cost me a year of my life though. I'm going to listen to Cross-eyed Mary now.

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Yeah, I was a bit confused by the cross-eyed technique at first too, until I saw that the images weren't placed for parallel viewing. But hey, it worked.

I use stereo pairs of 9" photos almost every day I work in the field, developing access to "Earthly" wood, and use the parallel method. They are fantastic tools for understanding the lay of the land.