Glad to see someones noticed

Edit: And what are those high hopes if you don't mind my asking?

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I'll have to admit that I also almost believed in the Moon hoax when I watched the Fox TV "documentary" for a first time. Hey, where are the stars? What about the waving flag? And why haven't we been there since 1972?

But I did some research and nobody can convince me that Apollo landings never happened.

Exactly. Couple that with the motive the US had to beat the Russians there and it all makes for a nice fairy tale conspiracy theory. But thats it is: a fairy tale.

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Oh, I almost forgot ...

I live in a country which was part of the Eastern Block - Bulgaria. Apollo 11 landings were not shown on TV. Nobody admitted it was a hoax. There was silence. Deafening silence.

And because I live in Bulgaria, there's a lot of propaganda here. The Soviets acheived the first launch of a satellite, they sent the first astronaut in space, they acheived the first soft landing on the Moon, they built the first modular station, they even built their own space shuttle - Buran! The only thing they failed to achieve was to send a man on the Moon.

I will have to do a board search and write some things down. It's a nice thing for the future:

-bump a certain thread in which toothdust made an embarrassing remark about the moon hoax years ago; and then 5 minutes later:

-bump a certain thread in which betadust made an embarrassing proposition of sending subs into space years ago

There is a strange trend of this board that anyone with "dust" in their name changes a lot over the years. Must be some grand cosmic theory to explain this. Interstellar dust?

I for one, made a strong first post. It all went downhill from that point.

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Yeah when I first wandered in here I thought I had "it all" figured out. Go figure I had it wrong by a long shot.

Oh, and if you notice my join date, I haven't even been here a year yet! Seems like longer...I had started to change my mind a bit before wandering through these doors, but really blasted off once I started participating. And reading JayUtah's deathly logical style made me think a bit...

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That is inaccurate and uncalled for.

I AM confrontational when I feel it's necessary. That does not mean I am one who always overreacts.

That has never been my motto- nor will it ever be.

OK, people, calm down. If you think my behaviour was/is unacceptable, feel free to tell me. I'm open to critics - I'm not angry at toothdust and respect his opinion.

Sometimes I think that my colleague will be a good scientist some day. A good molecular biologist, at least. But I have some doubts he really have good knowledge of Radiobiology, radiation and its effects. At least, we studied Radiobiology last year!

Calm down, Zvez is new to the board. I understand his frustration at someone who refuses all logic. I have had similar myself.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

hmm... are there people here, who believe that Apollo missons were faked? Maybe they will give me some explaination why they believe so.

We're waiting for one to return, even made a cosy thread just for him...

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Ahhh... the one who speaks to aliens. I totally forgot

Not many that I know of, but there are always a few wandering in now and then.

This is a big board, and many members work in related industries, or actually work on space exploration projects, so the "believers" cannot give meaningful debate when faced with people of that caliber.

For the same reason there is a vast amount of knowledge here, and I have learned many things since I joined. Its pretty cool.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

I also feel I'm falling in love with this board (BAUT). There are some other places I frequent - NSF, UMSF, but this one is quite different - conspiracy theories are allowed here.

Only if you can defend them.

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Yes. And also outside the CT department, a lot is to be found here. A lot of people with space connections, yet used to talk about it with people with a less deep knowledge on the subject. If you want to follow and discuss current missions or future missions, this is the place.

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As I see it, there are two kinds of name-calling.

There's the "you're a stinky fat-head" type of name-calling - childish abuse - which is never acceptable.

But there's also the "if the cap fits, wear it" type of name-calling. Telling someone they are incompetent, a fool, dishonest or a menace or whatever may be hurtful, but if it happens to be true, then the recipient of the name-calling will just have to deal with the hurt.

I tend to avoid using swear words because they can make the criticism sound like childish abuse even when it's valid. But aside from this, I get the impression that Zvevdichko's epithet "conspiracy nut" was quite valid. I will not use the term "conspiracy theorist" because the "theorist" bit suggests that the conspiracy nut has put real thought into their nonsense. If I am being extra polite I will say "conspiracy fantasist".

If someone calls me a nut, I will ask them to point out what I said that was irrational. If I am driven to call someone else a nut, it will be because they are a long way past caring about rationality.

I had the chance to meet with people working on Chandrayaan-1 lunar mission. These people are preparing to send an instrument aboard Phobos-Grunt too. But I have never met people working at NASA or ESA.

Hi. ex-ESA.

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Oh, a surprise Nice to meet you!

You may want to tell your friend that the Apollo spacecraft passed through the Van Allen Belts in only 20 minutes and that was not long enough to give them a fatal dose

And/or ask your friend if he thinks Gemini 10 and 11 were faked too.

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Thanks, nice to meet you to!

I'm far from the only one here, in fact many people on this board have far more professional aerospace experience than myself. To name just one example: you would never have guessed it from his name, but STS-60 worked on Shuttle missions.

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Actually, it doesn't matter. Each contribution to manned spaceflight is of much value!

Surely you jest? LOL

STS-60 must be one of the sharpest. A veritable mine of first hand information.

I am glad he is here.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

I also hope I'll contribute to this board and you will learn new things from me

I'm not an aerospace engineer and probably I'll never be. I'm the administrator of the biggest web site in Bulgarian dedicated to space science.

As I said, he's just one of the many overhere. And then there's an even larger group of people who have no professional aerospace links, yet know an awful lot about it. On many subjects, more than those board members who do work in the aerospace industry.

You don't have to work in aerospace to be able to say relevant things about it. Far from.

On the other hand, when people start shouting things without backing them up, credentials become the next best thing to determine which one is most likely to speak the truth. Just like I'd rather believe my plumber than my doctor when he tells me I need a new filter in my hot water tap, without backing that claim up. Obviously, in case of doubt, it's always best to have claims backed up, no matter who's the source. A plumber can be mistaken about your hot water tap, a doctor can be right about it.

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Yeah... guess who are these people behind the "credentials":

1. the angstrom medal

2. librarian at Rocketdyne

3. solar system ambassador (hint : Lunar UFOs)

Maybe I should use my "Mekel Prize Laureate" as main credential from now on. It's not a lie, and while it stands for pretty much nothing at all, it does sound more impressive than my relevant credentials to some.

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OK I give up.

1 and 2 I knew but 3 I dont. Go on spill the beans on 3.

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