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Old 07-December-2008, 10:44 PM
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RCH, as far as I know. It's a real credential, only the function does not carry the weight he makes it appear to do.
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Nicolas: that's right.

The third one was a person connected in a some way to RCH...

What about the second one?
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Hoagy has that title officially?
Ur kidding?

2. is good old Bill the perpetually confused
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Old 07-December-2008, 10:51 PM
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No, one of his references was a SSA. But that doesn't mean that person had loads of inside knowledge or anything else different from any random guy working at JPL. It's an unpaid position, a honorary title for a PR function. As far as I understood.

I must add that RCH has some impressive claims to faim in the aerospace business (things like the voyager pioneer plaque), albeit none that imply a thorough understanding of the subjects he uses in his theories. And he has given a nice debunking of common apollo hoax claims (in fact RCH was the person who rebutted most apollo hoax claims for me, go figure). Too bad he added the secret alien bases part in the same breath.
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Good old Bill That's correct.

Not Hoagy, but a friend of him - don't remember the name...
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No, one of his references was a SSA. But that doesn't mean that person had loads of inside knowledge or anything else different from any random guy working at JPL. It's an unpaid position, a honorary title for a PR function. As far as I understood.

I must add that RCH has some impressive claims to faim in the aerospace business (things like the voyager plaque), albeit none that imply a thorough understanding of the subjects he uses in his theories. And he has given a nice debunking of common apollo hoax claims. Too bad he added the secret alien bases part in the same breath.
Thats just lovely, but the dude is a total wingnut. I assume evidence is superfluous?
Especially given the plaque claim is specious.
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Heavy zooms and contrast-enhancements of scanned and/or compressed images, as always.

If you ask me, RCH is simply in it for the money, together with troubled relations with NASA giving him the extra reason to discredit them in his claims (or the other way around, chicken, egg...). He came from a brighter spot than where he's in now, though maybe financially it's the other way around...
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By the way does RCH have any articles in scientific journals, peer-review?
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<tumbleweed rolls thru>
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I don't know about that exactly, but he did do non-woowoo stuff in the aerospace business in the past. Somewhere along the way, things got awkward....

@abaddon: ah, another satisfied customer of mine

Actually me and a colleague did consider having a fake tumbleweed ball made, as we give courses and we could use one for the visual effect when we once again ask a question nobody can answer.
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-I don't know about that exactly, but he did do non-woowoo stuff in the aerospace business in the past- ???

Really???

I can't believe it...
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Hoagland served as a curator of astronomy & space science[6] at the Springfield Museum of Science, located at The Quadrangle in Springfield, Massachusetts, and was a consultant to CBS News during the Apollo program.[7]

Hoagland also co-produced[7] with WTIC (AM) a Peabody Award-nominated radio program, A Night of Encounter, covering the July 14, 1965, Mariner 4 flyby of the planet Mars. However, the official Peabody Awards entry form (51-65R) lists only Charles Renaud as the producer of the program.[8] WTIC announcer Dick Bertel hosted the program and interviewed Hoagland, and the program also featured a conversation between Hoagland and astronomer Dr. Robert S. Richardson, associate director of the Griffith Observatory.[9]
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Dr. Sagan was enthusiastic about the idea of sending a message with the Pioneer spacecraft. NASA agreed to the plan and gave him three weeks to prepare a message. Together with Dr. Frank Drake and Richard C. Hoagland (advisor to Walter Cronkite during the Apollo program) he designed the plaque, and the artwork was prepared by Sagan's then wife Linda Salzman Sagan.
That was the serious part of his career.
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Hm... I should check the references because I don't trust the University of Wikipedia that much.
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Old 07-December-2008, 11:10 PM
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That information is correct, as far as I know. But as always, results achieved in the past are no guarantee for the future. Even if he would have been the guy to have designed the SaturnV and flown it to the moon himself, his claims about life on Mars and aliens on the moon based on bad photo interpretation still would be nonsense.
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If memory serves, its not totally accurate either.

Anyhoo @Nicolas: Stop dragging me into your tumbleweed business. I am already getting into LotusExcelles marshmallow deal.
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Yeah, of course.

People like my father remember Mars 3 and the fact the landing module made it to the surface, but never sent useful data. 20 seconds on Mars - this is something that could be explained by technical problems (IMO it was because the highly eliptical orbit of the main bus), but we all know that Soviets rarely spoke about their own problems. So when people don't receive much information about the status of the mission, they start to think there's something supernatural.
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Old 07-December-2008, 11:19 PM
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If memory serves, its not totally accurate either.

Anyhoo @Nicolas: Stop dragging me into your tumbleweed business. I am already getting into LotusExcelles marshmallow deal.
You can collect your old, worn-out tumbleweeds, make a nice stack of them, set on fire and prepare your marshmallows on it.

Where can I find information on the marshmallow deal btw? I seem to have missed it. Bad advertising from his side, I must say...
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Heh

You are very nice people and this is a very pleasant place, but I have to go to sleep. Good night, see you later...

As for the conspiracy theorists - well... I forgot something very important - after I wrote several articles about the moon hoax and aired a broadcast, somebody told me that I'm working for the government of USA and I'm part of the huge conspiracy
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You can collect your old, worn-out tumbleweeds, make a nice stack of them, set on fire and prepare your marshmallows on it.

Where can I find information on the marshmallow deal btw? I seem to have missed it. Bad advertising from his side, I must say...
Todaytomorrow UFO Thread from post #30 onwards, but its a secret. Try not to queer the deal.
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...and destroy all three of them, for secrecy reasons.
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Pshh! You guys! Come work for MJ12! That's where all the REAL action is. And the pay is better. Guess who REALLY got the $700 billion bank bailout?
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Na, those of us in Alternative 3 got that money (plus 800 billion from China) to proceed to phase IV of Mars terraforming.
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Pffff I got the 8 trillion of the parallel space program in the '60s.
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Pffff I got the 8 trillion of the parallel space program in the '60s.
And you spend them on what?
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MJ-12 got the bailout? Let me guess: Bob Page and Walton Simons are at it again
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And you spend them on what?
Tannoy speakers.
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you guys went totally offtopic

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Welcome to your elitist circle. We are quite a few here.
Thanks And what is your part of the disinformation process?
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