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Old 10-January-2009, 10:06 PM
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I don't think it would have been any kind of 'drone' operated by the RAF or Army, it would have been destroyed and bits of it would be laid around the site. As they are Fibreglass composite items I am going with some kind of fatigue in one of the blades.
Personally I'd have to agree with you, the lack of any other debris other than the damaged blade leads you to that conclusion. The eye witness reports say that there has and was a lot of UFO (not alien reports) activity in the surrounding area. On the night/early morning in question reports of strange lights and a loud explosion as the blade was damaged have been coming from independent witnesses. How reliable these reports are who knows? people do tend to dramatise in these types of circumstances.
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I would think that a moving blade of that size would have made a bit of a bang when it failed.
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Old 11-January-2009, 12:24 AM
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I believe the explanation of the wind turbine damage was put down to some small stealth type robotic aircraft being tested by the military in the area. It had been going on for some time apparently

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Ve must remember in der Science, all data is of importance. Now we know:-

The Mohs Hardness Scale is shown below
Diamond 10
UFO 10.5
Corundum (Ruby and Sapphire) 9
Topaz 8
Quartz 7
Orthoclase (Feldspar) 6
Apatite 5
Wind Farm Propeller 5.5
Fluorite 4
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Talc 1
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I would think that a moving blade of that size would have made a bit of a bang when it failed.
Yes I'd imagine it would! the forensic test will show if its down to mechanical fault or fatigue. If not it must have been hit/clipped by something, i can't think of any other explanation.
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Ve must remember in der Science, all data is of importance. Now we know:-

The Mohs Hardness Scale is shown below
Diamond 10
UFO 10.5
Corundum (Ruby and Sapphire) 9
Topaz 8
Quartz 7
Orthoclase (Feldspar) 6
Apatite 5
Wind Farm Propeller 5.5
Fluorite 4
Calcite 3
Gypsum 2
Talc 1
where does unobtanium fit into that scale? or is it covered under "UFO"?
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Remind never get into an UFO if I see an alien driving it they don't seem to do very well.
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I have to wonder, how on earth does the windmill owner file the insurance claim on this.
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I have to wonder, how on earth does the windmill owner file the insurance claim on this.
Whatever he will claim.
I guess the insurance company will reject to pay as non insured interstellar crafts
are a clause of force majeure.
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Failure to stop at the scene of an accident is 3 points on the licence and a fine based on weekly income to a maximum of £500.
Careless driving is betwnn 3 and 6 points plus a fine as above. As he cannot be dual charged the more serius charge will be prosecuted but it's difficult to prove the careless without an independant witness. As it was on private property none of the above may apply, it might be a civil case. Small claims at County Court I would guess.
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I don't think that we extradite for motoring offences. The DVLC would create a 'Ghost' licence and award the points to it in case the offender returned.

Difficult to do without an identity though.
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There are automatic brakes on each turbine, to keep it from turning too fast in a wind storm. If the brake fails, the turbine flies apart, because of too much centrifugal force on blades and on the mechanism (nuts and bolts) that holds the blades to the rotor shaft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSB1SdVHqQ

Some get over-heated and catch on fire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKkTU...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N4HQ...eature=related

Some get struck by lightening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyOiD...eature=related

And some are zapped by Pod People from outer space:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-jzblCbsuA
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While I was traveling around Cornwall and Whales last summer, Two RAF fighters flew across (and above) the country road we were driving. The altitude had to be less than 500 feet. The sound was just awsome. There are turbines all over the place there. I would be happy to see our first in my part of the USA.

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While I was traveling around Cornwall and Whales last summer, Two RAF fighters flew across (and above) the country road we were driving. The altitude had to be less than 500 feet. The sound was just awsome. There are turbines all over the place there. I would be happy to see our first in my part of the USA.

I vote for military aircraft of some type.
Wales? only joking. Hope you enjoyed our part of the world.

Having spent a few years when a youth tramping around the mountains of Wales and just getting around in general, it is quite a thing to see the RAF low level. Especially when you are looking down on them. As happens when you are on some of the tops. And certainly less than 500'.


I have seen some astounding film from Red Flag of Buccaneers skimming the desert.

But yes, the RAF practice here and manage to miss everything. Usually...
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Old 12-January-2009, 09:31 AM
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If they were below 500ft then report them, apart from over their own Ranges they aren't allowed that low. It's easy to underestimate their altitude, the noise alone makes them seem a lot lower.
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In my defence it was some 20+ years ago but sitting high up around Cader Idris and looking down into the cockpit at the pilot as he skimmed the mountain side below, it certainly looked less than 500'.

Hands up though, I am probably incorrect at my height estimate. Do I need to edit?

ETA, found this, interesting.

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Old 12-January-2009, 10:39 AM
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Security guards have been sent to protect the wind farm site in Conisholme, Lincs, following last week's incident.
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Nick Pope, a UFO expert, told The Sun: "There may be something they don't want people to see."
source:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ealed-off.html

Sheesh!
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Oh eck. Being as this is now a litigious culture and health and safety is a big thing (appears to be in the UK at any rate) I think Nick Pope should acknowledge that a blade landing on people tend not to be pleasant.

That and trespass really does cause issues.
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Old 12-January-2009, 04:27 PM
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I would think the last thing they want is a bunch of UFO 'Enthusiasts' wandering all over their site.
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Thanks to the irresponsible actions of people like Nick Pope, the site is now a tourist attraction. And yes, as a forensic engineer I would be absolutely livid about people walking all over my site picking stuff up, leaving stuff behind, and generally trampling the site to death. There's a reason we rope this stuff off. While it's not a crime scene, we have to take the same care in in examining it.
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There will be a general safety thing as well, although it's out in the fields it's an industrial site.
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Oh well, at least there'll be witnesses if another blade fails.

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Per'aps an appointment wit Professor 'enry 'iggins is in order?
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Oh well, at least there'll be witnesses if another blade fails.

"Look! It wasn't alien--umph!"
Well, there will be a witness for a second or two, anyway. Perhaps others.
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If they lose their speed limiter they do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-vH42H_7k

If a bird takes off a piece of a blade tip, the out-of-balance force will do the rest.
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If they lose their speed limiter they do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty-vH42H_7k

If a bird takes off a piece of a blade tip, the out-of-balance force will do the rest.
I think most of us know this.

I could watch these things come apart all day. they look so cool.

ETA: Since I'm on stage already I'd just like to add that I found it particularlty humorous that the article proposed getting out the metal detectors since the things are made of non-metal stuff. But whatever floats your boat.
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Hey Captain. Sorry if this has been addressed prior--don't have the time to look back--what are those blades made of anyway and if it was hit by one of our aircraft isn't it pretty certain it would have went down? (the aircraft that is) Do those big blades ever just break off?
Joeboy, I once saw a Tomcat come home with the cross trees and two transformers off a telephone pole embedded in the starboard horizontal stabilizer and the aircrew didn't know it until the tower asked them, "How was your flight? Anything eventful" "No, no everything's good why?"

Much worse than leaving the men's room trailing toilet paper unawares I might add. Black box and the serial numbers off the plates on the telephone pole said they were in Mexico following a freeway north fifty feet off the deck doing 400 knots even when the hit it. They had gotten lost during a low level ACM exercise in Arizona and didn't want to tell anybody they had accidently violated international airspace.

Composite wind turbine blade? Pfft I say!
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SOme good pictures like that on the 'Oops List' page
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I've looked down on a B-1 bomber in flight, as in: I was clearly seeing most of the upper surface and none of the underside. But I have to clarify that this was from a designated observation point in a restricted flight area as a guest of the USAF. I was on a mountain top and the airplane was flying down a valley. It was nevertheless a very impressive sight.

I've been in the Idaho wilderness doing outdoors activites while being buzzed by a B-52 flying low enough that I could read the tail number. "Frying chickens in the barnyard," I believe is the phrase. Now this was not a populated area (by a long shot), so I don't think the crew was acting irresponsibly.

I've also working with planned B-1 fly-bys. Those occur at a much safer altitude, yet still low enough to produce a satisfying roar. These are theatrical, musical events that are timed to end as the fly-by occurs. I, as the director, typically get a little earpiece through which the military liaison can advise me on timing. So we can end the national anthem at the precise instant the afterburner roar hits the crowd. Or we can use real howitzers (firing blanks) for Tchaikovsky's "1812 Overture." On my musical resume I point out that I have worked with both artillery and close air support.
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