Ruby told Earl Warren and Gerald Ford exactly why he did it, but his testimony is always overlooked by conspiracy buffs. The simple fact is, Ruby was already going nuts before the assassination. The killing of Kennedy pushed him over the edge. Ruby was terrified of the John Birch Society and he was afraid they were going to take over the country and become the new Nazis of America.

By the time of the motorcade, he was mentally ill and in the process of having a nervous breakdown before the assassination. He was taking a “diet pill” that contained Preludin. This type of drug used to cause some people to develop paranoia, and they had to stop using it as a diet pill. This medication made his mental condition much worse, as he noted in his testimony.

Here is some of his testimony, from jail, to Earl Warren:
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Mr. Ruby: I am in a tough spot, and I don't know what the solution can be to save me.
And I know our wonderful President, Lyndon Johnson, as soon as he was the President of his country, he appointed you as head of this group. But through certain falsehoods that have been said about me to other people, the John Birch Society, I am as good as guilty as the accused assassin of President Kennedy.
How can you remedy that, Mr. Warren? Do any of you men have any ways of remedying that?
Mr. Bill Decker said be a man and speak up. I am making a statement now that I may not live the next hour when I walk out of this room.
Now it is the most fantastic story you have ever heard in a lifetime. I did something out of the goodness of my heart. Unfortunately, Chief Earl Warren, had you been around 5 or 6 months ago, and I know your hands were tied, you couldn't do it, and immediately the President would have gotten ahold of my true story, or whatever would have been said about me, a certain organization wouldn't have so completely formed now, so powerfully, to use me because I am of the Jewish extraction, Jewish faith, to commit the most dastardly crime that has ever been committed.
Can you understand now in visualizing what happened, what powers, what momentum has been carried on to create this feeling of mass feeling against my people, against certain people that were against them prior to their power?

That goes over your head, doesn't it?

Chief Justice Warren: Well, I don't quite get the full significance of it, Mr. Ruby. I know what you feel about the John Birch Society.

Mr. Ruby: Very powerful.

Chief Justice Warren: I think it is powerful, yes I do. Of course, I don't have all the information that you feel you have on that subject.

Mr. Ruby: Unfortunately, you don't have, because it is too late. And I wish that our beloved President, Lyndon Johnson, would have delved deeper into the situation, hear me, not to accept just circumstantial facts about my guilt or innocence, and would have questioned to find out the truth about me before he relinquished certain powers to these certain people.

Chief Justice Warren: Well, I am afraid I don't know what power you believe he relinquished to them. I think that it is difficult to understand what you have to say.

Mr. Ruby: I want to say this to you. The Jewish people are being exterminated at this moment. Consequently, a whole new form of government is going to take over our country, and I know I won't live to see you another time. Do I sound sort of screwy--in telling you these things?

Chief Justice Warren: No; I think that is what you believe, or you wouldn't tell it under your oath.

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/Issues_...stimony_1.html

Have there really been two dozen unsuccessful attempts? I can only think of about half that many, and three of those are questionable.

Jackson (attacked by deranged individual whose flintlock pistols misfired)
Lincoln (questionable--alleged plot during his journey to Washington as President-elect)
Lincoln (questionable--near miss from unidentified shooter while riding in 1862--unknown whether actual attempt or accident)
FDR (questionable--occurred while president-elect; actual target may have been Chicago mayor Anton Cermak, who was fatally wounded)
Truman (two Puerto Rican nationalists--Secret Service officer killed)
Nixon (deranged individual attempted to hijack airliner and crash into White House)
Ford (deranged individual)
Ford (deranged individual)
Reagan (deranged individual)
Clinton (deranged individual--opened fire on White House with automatic weapon)

The actual number may partly depend on one's definition of "assassination attempt"--many more than two dozen people have made plans to kill a President, but few have gotten close enough to be an actual threat.

[edit: I should have also mentioned Theodore Roosevelt, who survived being shot as an ex-President while campaigning for election in 1912. Although one could argue that this should be classified as an attempted assassination of a Presidential candidate, the deranged individual claimed that he had acted because he had dreamed that McKinley had identified TR as complicit in McKinley's assassination.]

[edit: I also didn't include Saddam Hussein's plot to assassinate George Bush the Elder. Whether this should be classified as an "attempt" is debatable, as the agents were all rounded up well before they could carry out their plan.]

[edit: Spelling of "Cermak"]

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Wow. A powerful political figure, target of deranged individuals? Who knew?

I mean, sure, if they're target of lobbyists, all the major corporations, and the majority of the population isn't amazing... one deranged individual is! </sarcasm>

Yep. The CTs like to show a graphic of Connelly and the President sitting looking forward like mannequins when they were both moving and turned in their seats. The Zappruder film shows that clearly.

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Good post, SpitfireIX

I stand corrected; I recalled a discussion we had in Constitutional Law. We were discussing the 25th Amendment, presidential succession, and we got side tracked into presidential assassinations. I recall the professor saying that they had been four successful and about twenty attempts. We went through some of the more famous ones. This was back in the 80's, but it was one of my favorite classes.

After your post, I did some more research, and come up with seventeen cases. There were two additional attempts on Clinton, one was a handgun, unloaded and another with an airplane crash on the front lawn of the White House. One attempt on the current president, George Bush, when someone threw a hand grenade at him on a foreign visit.

Here is the main link I found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ation_attempts

BTW, the discussion on the FDR attempt was very spirited. If successful, it would have thrown the country into a constitutional crisis. Would the Vice President Elect have become President-Elect, would new elections have to be held, would it be determined in Congress? The only point everyone agreed on was that the constitution still does not address it.

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I knew about the airplane but I left it out, as it was never established that the pilot was actually trying to kill Clinton, IIRC.

The unloaded gun I'd say is questionable--either an attempted suicide by cop, or else the most incompetent would-be assassin ever.

I'm not sure the one with Carter should be counted, either.

I'd forgotten about the attempt on Bush the Younger--indicates my brain is fried, I think.

Actually, the latter is only partly true--the 20th Amendment (adopted during FDR's administration) provides that the VP-elect would succeed--however, there is no VP-elect until after the Electoral College votes. When Reagan ran in 1980, because of his age, there was some discussion of what would happen if he died after the election but before the EC voted. The consensus was that the Republican Party would have been allowed to nominate a new candidate.

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LOL! A Dennis Miller line I hadn't heard before. Good one, farmer.

Oh yeah, it was like 10-20 seconds that they 'just stood there'. Oh wait, no, it was about 1 second and it was a noisy crowd, close in, with flashbulbs going off. Yeah the 'stooges' just stood there. Ever notice the sheriff's hand on Oswald's belt? He was trying to pull Oswald out of the way. Have you even seen the footage? Doesn't seem like it to me.

Of course I've seen the footage, countless times. I've always thought the shooting was totally contrived. And looking at frames from the video has only confirmed my belief that it was all staged.

Some frames that are perfect examples of how unnatural the reactions of the police were....

Ruby holding his gun, with his outstretched arm practically nudged up to the beltline of an utterly oblivious officer....
http://scribblguy.50megs.com/basement.jpg

http://www.big13.net/rubyshot.jpg

And the sheriff you claim was trying to pull Oswald out of the way? The only thing he is doing in the image below is bend back out of the way!

http://216.122.129.112/dc/user_files/3988.jpg

And not once does he even look down at the gun, nor make any effort to subdue Ruby - he just keeps looking at Ruby's face as he comes in and shoots Oswald....

http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=sm6c20

Exceptional protection offered by the Dallas police that day - almost as outstanding as their security efforts two days earlier for JFK...

They also tend to have them at the same height, when Connelly was lower than Kennedy, sat in a jump seat as he was.

OK Turbonium you are saying all the cops there were in on it as well?

Another conspiracy that grows!

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Here's the shooting from another angle:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:R...ing-oswald.jpg

See the hand coming over?
That's the other bloke trying to grab Ruby.
Not exactly simply standing around doing nothing.

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While I'm here, the phenix video shows quite clearly how quickly Ruby charges Oswald and fires.
http://www.news8austin.com/content/y...ws/?ArID=90111

Oh yes, despite the JCS, CIA, FBI, Anti Castro Cubans, pro Castro Cubans, JBS, Mafia, Texas Oil,and the Federal reserve, all having cracker-jack reasons for wanting JFK to shuffle off this mortal coil Oswald, for reasons no one can fathom, saves them all the trouble.Truth is though, unlikely as it sounds, its probably what happened.

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I've always thought the shooting was totally contrived. And looking at frames from the video has only confirmed my belief that it was all staged.

The problem is however, Turbonuim, for it to have been staged, regardless of how it looked, the principle players had to have foreknowledge of each others actions in a way that was impossible. If it truely was a setup and staged, why wasn't Ruby waiting for Oswald at the original time of the transfer? Why was he standing in line at the Post Office? How did he know that he would be able to complete his business at the Post Office and still get to Oswald before the Transfer occured? How did Oswald know how long he had to spend getting changed so that Ruby would could get into position? For that he had to know how long Ruby was going to be standing in line at the Post Office. And assuming that he somehow knew this impossible knowledge, why would he have been complicit in his own assassination?

Until you can explain this omniscience on the part of the principles, you can't explain how they were in place at the right time (which was really the wrong time) to do a staged action, that should have taken place about 15 minutes eariler.

Quite simply, had Oswald not decided to get changed, the Tranfer would have occured before Ruby arrived and had just one person in the Post Office line taken a minute longer, Ruby would have arrived too late. Are you going to claim that every person in the Post Office and Oswald himself was in on the shooting?

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Actually, very few of those groups had as good reasons for wanting Kennedy dead as the CTs want you to believe--and Oswald had very good ones.

In some ways, I can feel very sorry for Lee Harvey Oswald. It seems, looking over his life history, that what he wanted more than anything else was to be important. This caused him to make most of his major life decisions--like the whole defecting to the Soviet Union thing, for one. What's more, Oswald himself was a passionately-devoted pro-Castro Marxist. While Castro himself has gone on the record saying that he would've had to've been insane to've had Kennedy assassinated, Oswald apparently believed that he would've been welcomed into Cuba with open arms for killing Kennedy--after the Soviet Union kicked him out.

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Quite simply, had Oswald not decided to get changed, the Tranfer would have occured before Ruby arrived and had just one person in the Post Office line taken a minute longer, Ruby would have arrived too late. Are you going to claim that every person in the Post Office and Oswald himself was in on the shooting?

No, of course I don't think that the Posties and Oswald were in on it. There are many details in the link below about the incident, including how witnesses saw Ruby at the police staion between 8 and 10 am that morning. I don't buy into the story that Ruby loved JFK and wanted only to kill Oswald to save Jackie from having to return to Dallas and testify. The fact is that Ruby was buddies with most of the Dallas policemen at that precinct. He would have been recognized by the police in the basement - the notion that he obtained a fake media pass doesn't wash. He had front row access to Oswald's basement transfer by the police - pretty "lucky" for someone who barely arrived in time, whereas the media throngs had been waiting in the basement for over an hour. For a supposedly well-secured area, Ruby was even "luckier" to be able to pack his gun and bring it right in to the police station basement.

http://www.dealeyplazauk.co.uk/Dr%20Tony%20Austin.htm

I'm not at all convinced in the official account of Ruby making a "spontaneous decision" to kill Oswald, for these and other reasons. It's all too convenient to eliminate the pre-ordained "lone nut assassin" before he had a chance to say anything that might blow the lid off of the cover story....

Many people who knew Ruby for a long time have stated many times that he did love and admire Kennedy and was devastated by his assassination, including the employee that who saw him that morning who said that he was extremely distraught. Many also describe him as a volatile and extremely emotional man who some even thought was insane before he shot Oswald. I think his desire to "spare Mrs. Kennedy the ordeal of testfying" is but one reason for what he did. His mental state was another, along with wanting for vengeance against Kennedy's killer and his desire to be a "hero" for taking Oswald out.

I don't think that Ruby pretended to be press, he didn't have to. Ruby did know dozens of people in the department, several of which he payed to look the other way over indiscretions at his nightclub. His buddies on the force let him in because this was a big event, they knew that Ruby always liked to feel like he was at the center of things, and they knew how much he liked Kennedy.

Ruby wasn't lucky, he was connected. He had friends in all the right places. Ruby also frequently carried a gun in his jacket pocket and that was common knowledge amongst his friends on the force.


Yeah, but using Ruby to eliminate Oswald for fear that Oswald might talk just creates another potential problem...Ruby. Then somebody has to kill Ruby to keep his mouth shut. And everyone who knew Jack Ruby knew that he had a big mouth and used it frequently. So he was a bad choice to be the one who would survive to go to jail and be interrogated. Then whoever killed Ruby has to die and then someone has to kill Ruby's killer and so on and so on. It makes no sense. If someone were actually going to perpetrate such a huge conspiracy in the first place, and there's no evidence that they did, why would they use two mentally unstable and highly unreliable kooks in any capacity, even as patsies? It's just too big a risk.

The only conspiracy in the JFK assassination is the one involved the conspiracy theorists themselves. It's amazing how far these nuts have run with their wacko ideas.... I haven't seen a JFK conspiracy theory yet that didn't have more holes in it than the victims and the perp combined after Jack Ruby got done with him.

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[QUOTE=Gillianren]Actually, very few of those groups had as good reasons for wanting Kennedy dead

This statement is a joke, right? As I said I accept that in all probability LHO pulled the trigger, but to pretend that Kennedy had not made many, powerful enemies in his short time as president flies in the face of accepted historical accounts. The BOP, the sacking of Walker Dulles and bissell, Refusing to act on the Northwoods recomendations, sidelining of Ly Lemnitzer, who do you think paid for the anti kennedy ads in the Dallas papers, Oswald? There were, and remain, many reasons for doubting many of the findings of the W/C, and to crudely label anyone who questions this as a "C/T" simply wont do.

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Is this true? And if so, what are the implications?

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The implications are not what the conspiracists claim:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/factoid2.htm

Okay, first off, I don't know what half of your alphabet soup references mean, so I can't rebut them all. (BOP, I take it, is Bay of Pigs, but I'm not sure to whom it would be offensive in your scenario. What are JCS and JBS?) What possible reason would the Federal Reserve have to want to kill Kennedy? As I recall, the supposed reasons are bunk, though I don't remember exactly where I read the details of it. As for the CIA, they were relatively happy with Kennedy as President, and certainly they had no reason to assume that they'd be happier under LBJ.

See, that's the thing you have to remember--it's not actually enough for the enemies to want Kennedy dead for them to have assassinated him, especially when personality assassination would've been as easy as it would've been with Kennedy. They would have had to have done better with Lyndon Johnson as President. Johnson wasn't going to miraculously change all of Kennedy's policies, after all, and so could be considered no real improvement to most people who might allegedly have a reason to kill Kennedy. Here's where the lone nut is more plausible than Big Interests--Oswald didn't have to think about what would've been different with LBJ as President. It was enough for him to get the notoriety and kill an enemy of Cuba and the Marxist state.

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This is a great web site--almost as good as Clavius, though Jay is a better writer and has more first-hand knowlege of the subject being debunked. It's where I always refer people who claim that there was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK.

Here is a link to to the home page.

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JFK's brother chose to move away from the exit planned for him, away from the bodyguards so he could work the crowd. An enthusiastic, friendly crowd. Hindsight is 20/20 -- IMHO I think it is a bit harsh to call this incompetency.

Which has led some CTists to suggest that Johnson himself was behind the assassination -- an idea I find despicable.

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But who else could they get but a mentally unstable kook like Ruby to shoot someone in a police station? And Ruby did talk - to Dorothy Kilgallen, who died soon afterwards - along with the disappearance of all her notes and the article on which she had been working to "blow the JFK assassination wide open". Ruby claimed he was injected by an unknown "agent" with something that caused him to quicky develop fatal cancer. That would put an end to any chain of "murdering the murderers".

Two other things that don't make sense:

- Ruby fired only one shot from his Colt Cobra .38 Special, which holds six rounds. He easily had time to fire off a couple more rounds before being apprehended.

- Ruby deliberately fired the single bullet directly into Oswald's abdomen, from mere inches away. Ruby, with years of experience as a gangster, would certainly have known that gunshot wounds to the abdomen are very likely to be non-fatal. That is also supported by statistics calculated from hospital records during the early 1960's: only a ~15-25% mortality rate for gunshot wounds to the abdomen. Ruby also knew that Oswald would be able to get immediate assistance for the wound, with policemen everywhere, and an ambulance readily available.

If Ruby was so intent on murdering Oswald, why didn't he shoot him in the head, or even the heart? Ruby approached from Oswald's left, and easily could have shot him in the heart (or head).

Why did Ruby only fire a single shot from his double-action .38? If he wanted to make sure Oswald would not live, he should have fired off as many rounds as he could, not just a single shot to the stomach.

Maybe he was as stunned as anybody else about what had happened.
He acted out of impulse, not deliberation.

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You are assuming that "they" expected Oswald to be arrested before "they" could get to him. If he hadn't shot a police officer and then started acting suspiciously, he likely wouldn't have been arrested until the serial number of the rifle had been traced to the company that sold it to him. If "they" wanted to eliminate Oswald, "they" could simply have told him to be at some location for further instructions, transport to Cuba, etc., and killed him (making it look like a suicide). Come to that, Oswald either was part of a conspiracy, or he was not. If he was, why did he shoot Officer Tippett? How could that possibly have furthered the conspiracy? If Oswald was not, and he was merely a "patsy," why did "they" make it look like he shot Officer Tippett, so that Oswald would be quickly arrested and possibly talk. Again, why not eliminate Oswald instead? Or, even better, make it look like Tippett and Oswald killed each other. Then, when the rifle was traced to Oswald, it would be assumed that Tippett stopped Oswald because he was acting suspicious, and Oswald panicked and started shooting.

You have no way of knowing what Ruby told her, and neither does any other living person, unless her long-lost notes somehow turn up.

What is your evidence that she was working on an article to "blow the JFK assassination wide open?"

As detailed by sam5 above, Ruby was mentally unbalanced. And there is no "agent" that works as Ruby described.

It's hard to know what anyone will do in a situation like that. He may have felt that he'd done the job with one.

He may have feared that one of the police officers would grab his arm before he had a chance to fire--aiming for Oswald's abdomen let him get off one shot quickly. He may also have feared that he might have been shot himself had he kept firing.

Evidence that he was not part of a conspiracy, and that his shooting Oswald was a spur-of-the-moment action.

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Surely evidence that he wasn't being paid off to kill the guy. If he was, he must be the lousiest assassin on the planet. And if it was the Mob, well why couldn't they have go someone on the inside to make sure the LHO decided to try swinging from the rafters in a bed sheet? How about Ruby, surely giving someone cancer is a rather sad way to kill someone to prevent them talking, why not pay a guy to accidently shift them, or use a bedsheet to make it look like a suicide? You are right, it makes no sense.

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It was never proven he did shoot Tippett. In fact, there were CIA agents arrested in the area but released with no further mention or follow-up investigation.

That's your opinion. My view is that Oswald was already designated to be the official "lone shooter" before Nov.22.

Sure, but that isn't the way to give the public its worldwide media view of the "lone nut assassin", complete with instantaneous biographical details of his love for Castro and Communism, and his Russian wife. Give the people a photo and live video of the evil monster, then when he gets killed we have "closure".

Not, imo.

As I said, unproven that he shot Tippett, and CIA agents were arrested at the scene and let go without further mention. And since I don't think Oswald was part of the conspiracy, I also don't think he shot Tippett (or JFK).

Yes, to allow him to quickly be arrested. If Oswald was involved, why would he shoot JFK, then Tippett, then proceed casually to a theater, only to risk drawing attention to himself by sneaking in without paying. And, since when does someone sneaking into a theater ever result in the manager calling up the cops to "go get 'im"?

"Say, Bubba, thet thar fella snuck inta our theeater and didn't pay!"
"Well, call up the police, Jimmy Joe. He's a gall-darned law-breaker, he is!"
"Shouldn't we jess ask 'im ta leave?"
"Are you crazy, Jimmy Joe? He could be one o' them crazy gun-totin' killers!"

Over 700,000 people lived in Dallas in 1963, and the cops are sure enough that "the crazed killer" is also "the gate crasher", that within minutes they're swarming into the theater to capture a guy whose only proven "crime" was that he didn't shell out a couple bucks at the door? He must obviously be the assassin, because he's the only person out of the 700,000 people in Dallas that matches the description!! Besides, only a crazed murderer would ever rip off sweet Mrs. Postal at the ticket booth!

And Oswald did talk - he continually insisted that he was a patsy and that he didn't shoot anybody. So what good did all his talking do anyway? He was lying, obviously - he was JFK's crazy lone nut assassin, a cold blooded cop killer, and a Castro / Commie lover - all the newspapers and Walter Cronkite told us so by the next day. Uncle Wally would never lie to us, so Oswald must be

Could have, but as I said, the media already had their Oswald press packs, ready to put on TV and in papers, while the "Killer of Camelot" was trotted out for the media everywhere - like when they told the press to be in the police station basement for his transfer..

Of course not - that's how cover-ups are supposed to work. Her close friend, who may have had the notes, died just two days after her. Cause of death unknown.

She told several people that she was going to do this, and some of them have written about being told that or told reporters that she had mentioned it to them. She had previously gained unprecedented access to Ruby's testimony transcript and published it even before the WC had. And she had also been allowed two private 1/2 hour interviews with Ruby, that no other reporters were permitted. It's not that big a stretch to assume she may have had information that would have been a bombshell if released..

So the Dallas police see their good buddy - a mentally unbalanced kook and long time gangster - is visibly upset that his beloved President was brutally murdered. Naturally, they allow him to walk in with his gun and gain front row access to the evil killer as he is escorted by him. Not the best security, but really - how could they ever have imagined he'd plug Oswald in the gut? No wonder they stood there in stunned silence, it was such a shocking surprise!

Not very likely - busting a gut with one shot wouldn't have given him much confidence that Oswald would end up dead. We're talking about a thug that was a runner for Capone in the 1920's as a kid. His nickname was "Sparky," because he had a very short and volatile temper, and always carried a gun. He was mixed with the Mafia for decades. I think he knew how best to kill someone - and it wasn't with one belly shot.

No extra time was needed to aim at the head or chest - he walked up to Oswald with his gun already pointed out. He just kept it at stomach level while he walked up to him. Another shot or two wouldn't matter - the first thing they had the ability to do was grab his arm and gun to prevent more shots (that of course weren't fired and weren't ever going to be fired).

No, he was spotted from 8 to 10 am that morning strolling around the station and asking about Oswald. His movements up to Oswald were as deliberate as could be.

Wow, turbonium, not only do you manage to insult me and slander Walter Cronkite but you're also an expert on assination. Yeah we all wore bearskins and drove oxcarts until the intenet came along and brought civilization into the 20th century. I lived in Dallas at the time and my name isn't Bubba or Jimmy Joe, it's John. And I don't talk like a hick.

You do know that the police had radios, even way back before the internet rescued us from the dark ages. Why wouldn't they call the cops if somebody matching the descrition of a presidential assasin and cop killer snuck into the theater? It was pretty big news and so the police and Joe Public all knew what was going on. Would you just run up to him and tell him to leave? When the president was assinated and then a cop was shot, it was all put out to anybody with a radio on. Those 700,000 people were all looking for Oswald.

To me it appears that Oswald was hit in the heart or lungs or somewhere higher up that 'the gut'. It looks like that's where Ruby was aiming. He didn't want to spray down the whole place like Sirhan Sirhan or Hinkley. He just wanted to shoot Oswald and he did that with one shot. He may not even have wanted him dead. Ruby just wanted to be famous as the guy who paid Oswald back.

To me it's pretty ironic that Oswald wanted to be famous so he killed Kennedy and was in turn shot by Ruby who also wanted to be famous.

Oh and as for the poll: No, no conspiracy.

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