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Old 07-May-2009, 01:52 AM
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While many ponder the significance of the figure, others are curious about why it has remained a secret for so long. “The artifact has been common knowledge among NASA insiders for years,” said Dr. Charles. “But space agency higher-ups have kept the information highly classified, fearing world-wide panic. It was smuggled out to me by persons who must, for obvious reasons, remain anonymous.”
Space Agency Higher-ups hiding The Truth™ again to prevent world-wide panic...again. I guess we should be thankful.
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The photo shows a woman behind a plastic barrier holding something
for photographers and reporters to see. The angel figurine has been
pasted into the photo to make it appear that it is what the woman
was holding. I'm curious as to what she was actually holding. Can
anyone track it down?
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I've been searching for it all day. It looks like a legitimate media photo of a lady at a museum or art gallery holding up the "angel" for news people to see. The "angel" is also in the circular inset at the bottom right of the photo.

I've seen so many old stone Angels on Google today, I would guess this one could be a thousand or more years old. Probably found somewhere in Europe and put on display somewhere. I think the object is legit, but certainly not found on the moon.

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PS: I just enlarged the lady's hand, and I think it is possible that the stone angel might have been added to the photo.

Here is a link to a similar sculpture available for purchase:

https://indiastewart.com/store2/popu...00eddfe84ccb39
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Old 07-May-2009, 03:02 AM
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i didn't find elements about its location and eventual official images not zoomed showig this object
anyone found it ?
if not it's probably an horrible fake
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Erik von Datiken, eh? A spoof, Truth. Nothing more.
Ah, I didn't catch that earlier. I just looked at the original article at WWN. That's the pseudonym of the author, obviously based on "Erich von Däniken." Might as well be saying, "April Fools."
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Old 07-May-2009, 05:11 AM
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If it was REAL and that Important then NASA would have it someplace in a laser vault.
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Old 07-May-2009, 05:39 AM
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Roll up your pant legs, folks. It's too late to save your shoes.
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The Claim:

From the article cited in the OP:

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A noted scientist has just produced proof that the lunar surface was inhabited by intelligent life: a 10-inch angel sculpture embedded in a moon rock.
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NASA lab workers chipped the angel from one of the rocks brought to Earth by Apollo 11 astronauts 40 years ago, in 1969.
Source: http://thecrit.com/2009/05/05/200000...found-on-moon/

So we are told that a ten inch sculpture was found in a rock that was picked up from the moon by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, during the Apollo 11 mission.


The Evidence:

From the official catalog of the lunar samples returned by Apollo 11, we have a description largest single rock they brought back:

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Sample I0057 is a subangular, dark grey, vesicular basalt. This sample originally weighed 919gm and measured llxlOx6cm. It was originally
returned in ALSRC #I003 (Bulk Sample Container).
Source: Apollo 11 Lunar Sample Catalog
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/A11SampleCat.pdf (page 246)

Note the size in the description of Sample 10057: 11 x 10 x 6 centimeters.

That's 4.33 inches by 3.94 inches by 2.36 inches.


Conclusion:

This claim is a crock, prima facie. There's no way anybody is gonna stuff a 10 inch sculpture into a 4 inch rock. The bozos couldn't even bother to pick an Apollo mission that brought home reasonably large rocks. (Apollo 16 brought home the largest moon rock ever. I don't know if that one is even large enough to hold a ten inch angle, nor do I care to research this any further.)

I can't believe we actually encourage people to post this stuff, much less discuss it. But here I am.
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This laser vault idea fascinates me. Is it a vault with a bunch of lasers in it? A vault with walls defined by lasers? A holographic vault that stores images of what might be inside on keepsake cards from National Geographic?

I'm going to put lasers on my lawnmower.
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The article was originally written here :

http://weeklyworldnews.com/alien-ale...found-on-moon/

The author is "Erik Van Datiken"..

People are actually taking it seriously...
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The photo shows a woman behind a plastic barrier holding something
for photographers and reporters to see. The angel figurine has been
pasted into the photo to make it appear that it is what the woman
was holding. I'm curious as to what she was actually holding. Can
anyone track it down?
PS: I just enlarged the lady's hand, and I think it is possible that
the stone angel might have been added to the photo.
That's what I said. You quoted me saying it.

Except that I didn't need to enlarge the image. It is obvious that
the angel was pasted in. (Maybe the pixels are larger on my monitor.
That's likely. It's set to 800x600.)

I think the purple color of the gloves indicates that they are nitrile,
as opposed to latex or other material. It might even be a medical
industry standard. I'd guess that the woman is a physician or other
medical worker. But the plastic barrier is an oddity. That's what
makes me curious.

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Ok, Ok...you guys are relentless.
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I didn't know this. Which populations are not?

(Just asking, not disputing.)
The "near-universally" refers to being considered, not to populations; a few researchers would hive off these 'archaic' humans into one or a few additional species.
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... There's no way anybody is gonna stuff a 10 inch sculpture into a 4 inch rock. ...
Oh, come now. I hear about rocks being folded all the time from geologists.
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Sorry everyone, but I don't understand why the name "Erik von Datiken" gives away that the article is fake?

EDIT: Also, TRUTHisnotfacts, the article is a load of bollocks. Is it that hard to accept this?
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Sorry everyone, but I don't understand why the name "Erik von Datiken" gives away that the article is fake?
Erich von Däniken. Some of his books were even published in Dutch. ("Waren De Goden Kosmonauten?" IIRC). He's one of those "aliens helped Man" pseudo .. well, somethings.
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This laser vault idea fascinates me. Is it a vault with a bunch of lasers in it? A vault with walls defined by lasers? A holographic vault that stores images of what might be inside on keepsake cards from National Geographic?

I'm going to put lasers on my lawnmower.
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Sorry everyone, but I don't understand why the name "Erik von Datiken" gives away that the article is fake?
I think the WWN writers were having a bit of fun by using a variation of von Däniken's name. By the way, years ago I picked up a copy of his 1992 book, Neue kosmische Spuren, while looking into RCH's 1999 Abydos claims.
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I found a site that has this news 10-inch angel sculpture embedded in a moon rock has been found ?
one of the rocks brought to Earth by Apollo 11 astronauts 40 years ago, in 1969.
sculpture to be 200,000 years old which means it was made 170,000 years before the human species appeared
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http://thecrit.com/2009/05/05/200000...found-on-moon/
Sorry to be a spoil sport, but this is all very unconvincing.

First, why should a geologist make scientific conclusion not based on his field of expertise? Dr. Morris states that because of the figurine he concedes that the moon must have had an atmosphere. It's not his geological expertise that led him to this conclusion! Most fishy!
Second, there is not much iron on the moon and considering the abundance of oxygen I'd guess there are better suited metals for posteriority.
Third, none of the moon missions went to the highlands.

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Sorry to be a spoil sport, but this is all very unconvincing.
No reason to be "sorry"...I think that most "folks" on this board post/lurk here because they actually want to know how things work.
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gives away that the article is fake?
Because nobody with a Dutch-sounding name has a lick of sense.
Everyone knows that.

BTW, when did Everyone post in this thread? I can't find a post by him.

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Because nobody with a Dutch-sounding name has a lick of sense.
Everyone knows that.
Me thinks you need a "smillie" there...
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Because nobody with a Dutch-sounding name has a lick of sense.
This comes across as an Ad Hominem against people with Dutch sounding names. Please re-read the rules concerning such matters
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I think I can get away with this one!
You seem not to "get it". You'd be surprised what you can't "get away with" here...
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Haha, I got the joke. :P
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The "near-universally" refers to being considered, not to populations; a few researchers would hive off these 'archaic' humans into one or a few additional species.
Sorry, don't understand that sentence. Are you talking about a few tribes? Individuals? I need names! (So I can wiki...)
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If it was REAL and that Important then NASA would have it someplace in a laser vault.
I was going to ask if TRUTHisnotfacts ever returns to the threads that he or she begins, or does he or she simply ask deliberately nonsensical questions and then sit back as people respond?

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