I'm just guessing, but I suspect TRUTHisnotfacts is one of the younger posters here, and that might be the reason for the style of the posts.

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The BA has picked up the story in his blog.

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TRUTHisnotfacts, you like card games?

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Heh..I thought you were quoting TRUTHisnotfacts and so when I read Phil's blog I thought TRUTH was plagiarizing

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There's so much I don't know about astrophysics. I wish I had read that book by that wheelchair guy.

You can play games with credit cards??

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FYI:

Erich von Däniken is Swiss not Dutch. He isn't exactly what I'd call a fraud as he didn't make things up but interpreted evidence in a - well - biased fashion. But to speak on his behalf: he did make several expeditions to investigate his own claims and withdrew some of the wildest ones later.
In my youth his books were fun to read because I was already infected by the spacefaring virus and I didn't care whether the rockets came from Alabama, Kapustin Jar or Alpha Centauri.

Extracelestial

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I agree with the people on here ...

what I do not understand is this ?

If the object was found by Apollo 11 then how come NASA sent Apollo 12 so many miles away from the site that that this object at ?

If I was NASA and I found this object I would have sent all the Apollo 11 12 13 14 15 all to the same location ...Then later on they could have sent them other places after they had went over the landing area of 11 real good to find everything that was there in area and on the dust .

final answer .........

If they found this object with 11 why not send 12 back there ?

That's a good point. If indeed Apollo 11 had found evidence of settlement, it would make sense to study that location more, much more. However, I'm not sure that all the moon rocks brought back by Apollo 11 had been studied by the time that Apollo 17 launched. The hoaxer could argue that the rock was only "opened up" recently. (I have not bothered reading the hoax article.. maybe there is something in there to counter my point).

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I do hope nobody is baited by this farcical post.

What you do not understand is that this story is a complete fabrication, published by a "news" source that has a long track record of publishing similar sensational-sounding and completely untrue stories.

Apollo 11 found no such artifact. If it had, the find would have been trumpeted from the rooftops and NASA would have more funding than it would know what to do with.

Your continued credulity on this and other subjects is becoming tiresome.

Fred

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Now now, at least it showed a little more critical thinking this time

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Just as well. We already have plenty of cranks of our own as it is.

A criminal court did call him just that.
He is not a very trustworthy man.

He doesn't just spin the facts, he has no compunction about lying by omission.
He must have known that a lot of his claims were untrue.

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A. There is no such object. That article is from the Weekly World News, whose writers and editors wouldn't know the truth if it sat in their laps and called them "Mama". Nothing written in that rag has ever been the least bit true.

B. If you want to learn about the moon, landing in the same spot over and over makes absolutely no sense. You need samples from different regions of the Moon to really learn about it.

@Paul Beardsley - I agree with you about the farcical nature of this post. However, I felt the need to try to set the poster straight about where the article came from. Probably an exercise in futility on my part though.

I did not say NASA should have sent every Mission to the same location ..

I said if they found ? this Subject of talk why did Nasa not sent Apollo 12 ?

after reading and then looking at all of your updates of post ...

This is my final statement about this ...

NASA OF THE 80S .... was very high tech but so they would have sent other Apollos if this was found ...but they did not ..question is how come ?

There is not any facts that say it is ... I will stay with history on this one and say its not real ...that is where my data shows me ...truth may not be correct but facts to me is saying in my head that its not real looking at the other years after this rock was found ...

By jove...I think he's got it...

The reason they didn't send A12 there is because A11 did not find any "object".

Simple, huh?

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This is not quite fair. They were (alas, no more!) perfectly aware that what they printed wasn't true. When I was in high school, the LA Times printed an article about them in one of the not-news sections. Oh, they freely admitted they were making things up, and they were genuinely concerned that other people might take what they wrote as fact. On the other hand, everyone I've ever known who's actually bought a copy has done so as a joke--I had a friend who considered a subscription--so it just seems that articles released from the bonds of the Paper get taken seriously.

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point of rockets is to explore them!" -- Kai Yeves

Stubborn too, or so I've heard.

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Look, I'm not an engineer like a lot of you guys (I'm in construction) but even I knew enough to see that It was hoeey. Aside from cracking up when I saw the picture, I mean.

For one, they said the drawing is made from an iron compound "found only in the highlands of the moon." How would we know that? We've never been to the highlands of the moon.

Also that "chemical analysis dates the drawing at 200,000 years." What chemical analysis is that? You can't carbon date iron.

I have to agree that given the consistency of the kind of questions or claims TINF comes up with, I suspect he's just having a little fun. Which is fine if we remember to do the same & not get too wound up about it.

I thought Apollo 14 and 16 and 17 did visit the highlands of the Moon.

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oh.

Actually, sometimes you can. Cast iron can contain up to 4% carbon. If the iron was smelted with charcoal, that makes it potentially datable. If it was fired with coke, you're out of luck.

A14 landed in the Fra Mauro highlands that were to have been A13's landing spot. A16 landed in the Descartes highlands.

A17 landed at the Taurus-Littrow valley.

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The ALSJ describes the landing site as "Taurus-Littrow, highlands and valley area."

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They must have had a geologist on board if they couldn't settle for one or the other...

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"Certainly, in the topsy-turvy world of heavy rock, having a good solid piece of wood in your hand is often useful." - Ian Faith

"Highlands" is a broader term designating -- for lack of a simpler explanation -- the white parts of the lunar surface as seen from Earth. It's basically anything that's not a mare. Maria make easier landing sites due both to orbital inclination and terrain. With increasing proficiency in piloting comes the ability to land in more far-flung areas of the Moon, and among rougher terrain. The J-mission landing profile was steeper and faster and require more from both pilot and machine to make a safe landing. Hence the highlands exploration came later in the program.

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