While some people were no doubt hoping that the HBs would wait until the photo's came in before making hoax claims about the LRO mission, it would appear that they have already started.

It seems that someone thinks that the mission is in fact a deliberate attack on the hidden lunar civilizations that NASA has been suppressing since Apollo days.

See: http://www.examiner.com/x-2912-Seattle-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m6d19-NASA-moon-bombing-violates-space-law--may-cause-conflict-with-lunar-extraterrestrial-civilizations

And I thought the Astrologer who tried to stop Deep Impact was bad, this takes the cake.

__________________
We all know those Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

John Sladek, The New Apocrypha, pg 34.

How big and how fast does something have to be to qualify as a kinetic weapon? Did we break a few laws and upset some aliens when Shoemaker landed, probably pretty hard, on Eros?

Many countries have already broken the law then with every crash landing.

Legal issues aside, if there was an alien establishment on the moon, and they felt threatened, no doubt they could stop LCROSS before it got there.

And this article used the same stupid "Apollo 11 UFO transcripts" that were debunked years ago.

__________________
"One does not require alien ruins in order to absorb a profound sense of wonder and mystery from the moon. That our civilization had actually visited it is miracle enough." Jason Roberts

Wow, he starts getting things wrong in the first sentence. Quoting:

What, does he think this thing is supposed to be impacting at relativistic velocity? Five miles? It won't even be close to that. From:

http://lcross.arc.nasa.gov/CraterSizesText.htm

__________________
I say there is an invisible elf in my backyard. How do you prove that I am wrong?

Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

The Leif Ericson Cruiser

It's only a gently reminder because the aliens didn't pay their income taxes and neither their property taxes.
If they don't pay really soon, we shall use our phasers and photon torpedoes!

That does not surprise me. I've even seen UFO conspiracy believers using material taken from role playing games as 'evidence' of government shenanigans.

__________________
We all know those Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

John Sladek, The New Apocrypha, pg 34.

Haha i was just waiting when would some people come up with a hoax about LRO too.Its quite amusing i must say.Plus if there was aliens on the Moon,i think we would've known by now.

They're already practicing their rationalizations over at ATS.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread474613/pg1

__________________
Friendly Rabid Atheists (mostly)

I like the one that says the only way the 'truth' will come out is when someone sends a private mission to the Moon.

Come to think of it someone is..., but I don't think the pictures taken by a hand held digital camera inside a Soyuz flying around the Moon would show any hidden Moon Bases.

BTW, where to the HB's claim these bases are located?

__________________
We all know those Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

John Sladek, The New Apocrypha, pg 34.

Providing a location would make the claim debunkable, so that's never provided. They MIGHT give a general area, but nothing specific.

__________________
Friendly Rabid Atheists (mostly)

Yep...the same "mis-information" is being spread on the Unexplained Mysteries forum

__________________
"The facts gentlemen, and nothing but the facts, for careful eyes are narrowly watching." Isaac Asimov

I wonder how long it will take me to get banned from that one.

__________________
Friendly Rabid Atheists (mostly)

Wow, my woometer's needle pegged out at a high fraction of c when I clicked that. Life on the moon? I thought the "secret coverups about alien bases on the lunar far side" were bad, but this takes the cake. They just lay it out there with no hesitation or support like it's a well-established fact and with every expectation that NASA should abide by their "facts." They're an embarrassment to anyone who seriously holds open the possibility of extra-terrestrial visitation of any kind.

well if there is an alien base on the moon I'm surprised that nobody has said that the moon is a giant starship, one of those arks, and we are all here because we came from the moon populating the Earth.

A few facts would be nice first.

__________________

Someone has. A rather enjoyable book series, free download. I seem to remember that someone has presented it as a real idea too, probably something with a "hollow moon" speculation.

Oh.. Factual facts, not SF facts... ok

__________________
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge" -- Charles Darwin
"Your right to hold an opinion is not being contested. Your expectation that it be taken seriously is." -- Jason Thompson
Meet the OOONG TOE.

Yeah, I saw this last night. Here is another good one:

http://www.examiner.com/x-2024-Denve...nnons-birthday

Yeah....NASA is trying to plan it for John Lennon's birthday! ROTFL! This guy is trying to get the local government to fund an ET commission! If that wasn't looney enough.

It was too late for it to make commentary for my latest issue of SUNlite but it definitely will make it into the "Who's blogging UFOs" section next issue.

I was ready to chalk that up to the source of the (cough) news from the Examiner. But; It appears that guy is serious or at least using this phenomenon as a way to get news headlines.

__________________
Numbers are not case sensitive. (me)

Thanks Slang looks like a good book.

It doesn't matter if the facts are real or SF as long as we know which they are.

__________________

I remember reading this when I was much younger.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/luna/esp_luna_19.htm

Utter piffle of course.

__________________
Talkie Toaster: The question is this: given that God is infinite and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?

Hi Rhaedas,

that's easy to answer. A 5 mile crater caused by a probe of 2 tons at 5600 MPH?
I assumed this slice of moon cheese to be 1 metre thick lifted by the impact into the air ... err, sorry vacuum. This will have a yield that may stirr the upper 1,5 inches of lunar rgeolith as 1,5 inches is the distance it will raise. Not a very impressive weapon.
This guy is certainly out of his depth

Extracelestial

__________________
Science is not a monument of received Truth but something that people do to look for truth. - Dennis Overbye

It must be hard to estimate the size of the crater as the makeup of the Moon further down is unknown as that is why they are crashing LCROSS into it in the first place I presume.

That looks like a great laugh Gharlane thanks. Looks like there are a lot more books out there than I thought. (even if they are "piffle")

__________________

Back in the days of Apollo, we were "bombing" the Moon with a whole lot of bigger stuff...probes, LM ascent stages, empty SIVBs...I can't say I've ever seen photographic evidence of any of those impacts (another side mission for LRO?).

Just looking at it's face, I'd think that the Moon has had much bigger problems than us humans dropping a few things on it.

I just saw this post on slashdot and thought it was pretty funny and some people here would appreciate it. The poster is satirizing HBs:

Supposedly, the first imaging will happen tomorrow (3 July). I don't expect much at first. LRO isn't in its final orbit, and there's a lot of calibration to do.

I've worked on high-resolution imaging systems (commercial, Earth-observing). Our first images were released (for internal consumption only) about a month after launch, and looked pretty crappy. The first public images, which looked very nice, came out months later.

__________________
"Slapping a guy on the head is just as funny now as it was eighty years ago."

Actually, there is an old "Moon image book" which happens to be online which has an image of an SIVB crater...I'll see if I can "find" it, and I'll edit this post (with the info) if I can.

edit...OK, the book I was thinking of is Apollo over the Moon: A view from orbit

I am almost positive that is where I saw the picture I'm speaking of...but right now I just can't find it...(slow browser)

Either way it is a very interesting book/site.

edit again....found it...the image of the crater caused by the impact of the Apollo 14 SIVB can be found at figures 120 and 121 on the 2nd page of the craters "section" of the afore mentioned book/page.

__________________
"The facts gentlemen, and nothing but the facts, for careful eyes are narrowly watching." Isaac Asimov

Ah well, I can remember vaguely a story from the 1930's/40's in which some journalists fake evidence that there are hostile alien bases on the moon as a means of bringing about world unity. They succeed and the newly united Earth blasts the moon with ray-guns.

It then turns out that there are aliens on the moon and they are hostile...well actually they weren't until people started shooting at them...

__________________
We all know those Venusians: Doing their hair in shock waves, smoking electrical coronas, wearing Van Allen belts and resting their tiny elbows on a Geiger counter...

John Sladek, The New Apocrypha, pg 34.

They weren't Mysterons were they?

__________________
All Moderation in Purple
To report a post (even this one) to the moderation team, click the reporting icon in the upper-right corner of the post:
─────────────────────────────────────────────
◄Rules For Posting To This Board ► ◄Forum FAQs ► ◄ Conspiracy Theory Advice ► ◄ Alternate Theory Advice ►

I heard RCH on George Noory's show last night, and he claims that an IR image taken by LCROSS is evidence for lunar domes, evidently where the dark mission has been mining for ice. He thinks that NASA is now letting this data out to the public because with Obama's election, a sea change has come over the dark mission people. His ideas are vague, but something like this.

Hoagland's at it again.
The Smoking Gun?

__________________
Friendly Rabid Atheists (mostly)

Has anybody ever put Hoagland and Sibrel in the same room together? Would that be like putting a humidifier and a dehumidifier together and closing the door?

They're both anti-NASA conspiricists, but one needs the moon landings to be true, and the other needs them to be fake.

__________________
I was just sitting here contemplating the immortal words of Socrates who said, "I drank what?"

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot." --Carl Sagan "Pale Blue Dot"