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Old 01-July-2009, 08:01 AM
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Default Why doesn't NASA sue a hoaxbeliever?

I alsways wondered about these ones claiming that NASA killed the Apollo 1 astronauts on purpose because they knew "the truth". I think this is a good idea.

Why won't* NASA sue these hoaxbelievers?
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maybe because that would be a complete waste of time and give those people (hoax believers) more exposure than they deserve?
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Why don't the hoax believers sue NASA?
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Because doing so would give hoax believers an aura of credibility.

Of which they have *zero.*
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NASA is in a 'damned if they do, damned if they don't' position. If they try and sue them, HBs will say it's because they are trying to silence those who know the truth. If they don't, HBs will say it's because they don't want it all to come out in a public court case.

HBs thrive on attention. They don't give a damn whether they get good or bad publicity, as long as someone notices them. Spending the money to give them a forum is a big mistake. They simply are not worth the effort.
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Why don't the hoax believers sue NASA?
Because; they have no solid evidence and know they can't win.
Although that usually gets translated to: because the government courts are in on it and they can't win.
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NASA actually commissioned (or were close to commissioning) a book countering the Apollo HB's - to be written by Jim Oberg. But there was a bit of backlash so they canceled.
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NASA actually commissioned (or were close to commissioning) a book countering the Apollo HB's - to be written by Jim Oberg. But there was a bit of backlash so they canceled.
I understand a guy name, I think, Phil Plait, also was involved in such an effort for a time.
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NASA actually commissioned (or were close to commissioning) a book countering the Apollo HB's - to be written by Jim Oberg. But there was a bit of backlash so they canceled.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

In answer to the OP, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Suing a hoax proponent would likely result in MORE people getting sucked into the make believe world of the HB, simply because of the publicity.
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In answer to the OP, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Suing a hoax proponent would likely result in MORE people getting sucked into the make believe world of the HB, simply because of the publicity.
Not if the HB's lawyer is Moon Man.
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Not if the HB's lawyer is Moon Man.
Oh, THAT would be lovely!
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What would NASA sue for? Slander/libel?

The US government and government agencies have no right to sue for defamation.
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On top of that, in the USA the plaintiff generally has to be able to prove that the defendant is knowingly and maliciously spreading false information in order to win a defamation case. We don't really have a law against being delusional.
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Then there's the 1st Amendment issue. A suit brought by a government agency to quell the HB's accusations would quickly run afoul of that, I think.

Besides (as I understand it) even if they could sue, NASA would have to argue that they suffered damages as a result of the accusations. No damages, no case.
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What would NASA sue for? Slander/libel?

The US government and government agencies have no right to sue for defamation.
Indeed, NASA can't sue for such things. The astronauts themselves might be able to do so, but I assume they just have better things to do with their time and money.
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Can an organisation sue for slander or defamation? Or can only persons do that? OP did speficially mention Apollo 1, and murder. Not a lawsuit about spreading misinformation about the moonlandings in general.
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Can an organisation sue for slander or defamation? Or can only persons do that? OP did speficially mention Apollo 1, and murder. Not a lawsuit about spreading misinformation about the moonlandings in general.
Yes, corporations can sue for libel or slander.
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Not if the HB's lawyer is Moon Man.
They could charge for tickets! (I'd pay, and we all know that I'm on a bit of a budget.) Or Pay-Per-View, even, so we can all get the chance.
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On top of that, in the USA the plaintiff generally has to be able to prove that the defendant is knowingly and maliciously spreading false information in order to win a defamation case. We don't really have a law against being delusional.
They could try suing for libel in the UK. If the BCA can sue Simon Singh, then there appears to be no limit to what you can get away with. Mind you, it doesn't seem to be working out well for the BCA and chiropracters in general.
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Answer to to question posed in the thread title: because the money spent on lawyers could be more productively spent on scientists.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

In answer to the OP, there is no such thing as bad publicity. Suing a hoax proponent would likely result in MORE people getting sucked into the make believe world of the HB, simply because of the publicity.
There certainly is a strong contrarian element in the HB makeup. They firmly believe that TPTB and MSM are constantly conspiring to block their access to "the straight skinny".
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Indeed, NASA can't sue for such things. The astronauts themselves might be able to do so...
Say someone was paying an astronaut to appear at an "event" (as is often done) that someone would have to believe the HB claims, and not pay for the astronaut appearence based on what the HB has said.

Of course this is overly simplified, but that would be "damages" caused by the HB which could be acted upon...simply calling the astronaut names, ie. liar, isn't "enough" to justify a lawsuit.


At least that is the way I understand it...
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Say someone was paying an astronaut to appear at an "event" (as is often done) that someone would have to believe the HB claims, and not pay for the astronaut appearence based on what the HB has said.

Of course this is overly simplified, but that would be "damages" caused by the HB which could be acted upon...simply calling the astronaut names, ie. liar, isn't "enough" to justify a lawsuit.


At least that is the way I understand it...
The foundation of the refusal to pay the astronaut would have to be based on the HB's paradigm, "it never happened, so why pay him". I doubt they'd come out publicly with that thought.
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I think it would be a far better use of NASA's time and money to educate all the fence-sitters and the not-so-informed about the flaws in the HBs' arguments. This is what they're doing right now, but it could be done better.

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I think it would be a far better use of NASA's time and money to educate all the fence-sitters and the not-so-informed about the flaws in the HBs' arguments. This is what they're doing right now, but it could be done better.

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People need to take "Critical Thinking 101" before they leave high school.
...and maybe a little science...got a lot shakey folks getting diplomas these days. Seems a lot of basic learning has fallen by the wayside.
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Didn't the Sci-Fi channel sue NASA over the UFO cover-up?
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Didn't the Sci-Fi channel sue NASA over the UFO cover-up?
Do you have a cite for that?
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Do you have a cite for that?
I think Classic was referring to this.

But I'm not sure what it has to do with the subject of this thread.
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