Hm...boring UFO events again?

One of students who sorta a follows this kind of information refered on this today in computer room so actually small debate started between group:

http://www.iknowwhatisawthemovie.com/trailer.html

probably faked statements with actors so I would not go too exciting about this one...well at least that was my take today.

Nope, these aren't actors. They are actual witnesses. That does not make their stories accurate. Same old story. The witnesses think they saw an alien spaceship even though they probably saw something mundane. They allow their emotions and beliefs to color their recollections.

Well I don't think their stories are accurate because they are probably faked with actors. At least that is my opinion and my stand in the debate. As I can recall some international panel is mentioned in clip or something like that and those alleged claims for my taste are really silly. Somebody is trying to raise the credibility with hoaxes and as far as I know inside the academic community there is simply no evidence. Anyone who claims otherwise is ready for mental institution. At least those are my two cents.

Speaking as someone not unready for the institution myself, I disagree. There are people who believe what they're saying but are perfectly mentally healthy. They just have one (hopefully only one!) irrational belief. One irrational belief does not necessity for a trip to the institution make. Believing in extraterrestrial visitation does not generally make you a danger to yourself or others.

What's your evidence that they're actors?

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I am very simply skeptical about any claims of so called "official connections". So occams razor gives the logical assumption that "the actor" theory is more probable.

I am sick and tired with all the UFO nonsense and pseudo-scientific stupidities lately so I guess I wanted to share my pain with someone.

I was really suprised to find in 21st century some pro-UFO people inside student population. I think the education should devote more time to critical thinking. Ah.

Larry King was cute. "...and they'll do it at the National Press Club." UFOs sell papers. If this "conference" or whatever was valid science, wouldn't it be held somewhere with some credibility?

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Well, some people in that trailer are named public figures, you could easily go to images.google.com and find current images of how they look. Some very well known people have been supporting UFO hypes. Being a well known person does not imply that they have the critical thinking skills needed to see through the empty claims.

I hear that!

Agreed. Someone recently stated the same, almost verbatim, in another thread, don't remember which.

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Well, no, not really. I don't know the video in question, but I do know that there are some people with so-called "official connections" who do, in fact, believe in visitation by aliens. Ergo, it is possible that whoever-it-is in the video is one of those people. On the other hand, you are positing that someone went through the effort to find and pay actors. And script them. And, while students might just get their friends to do it, it doesn't take much research to actually find clips of mayors or whatever hyping UFO reports in their cities in the hopes that it would help tourism.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Yeah it is on the internet that it why it must be real. What a???? The internet is full with UFOs so that is where it is probably faked on the first place. Come on. It is the same thing like the Moon mumbo-jumbo stupid hoax theory. Advocates are also full with the official admitions and so on-so on but to this day I haven't seen anyone in the news or any official connection or insider about the issue.

Don't believe everything you read and think criticly.

Kudos and my 2 cents.

Are you saying it's impossible to find a trustworthy source for an image of a well known public figure?

There is indeed a lot of UFO related material on the internet, none of which so far has been proven to be of alien nature. In other words, nothing is, in that sense, "the real thing". However, that does not mean it is all "faked", many things are posted by people who genuinely believe they filmed something extraordinary. But if they misidentify Venus or a close-by insect as an alien UFO, it does not mean they fake it.. (Although there is also plenty material that clearly is intentionally faked).

Oh, I think I understand what you mean now. You are very skeptical about claims that some government or military official confirmed some UFO as "real" or as "alien".

If so, I think you could have stated that a little more clearly, ie:

You didn't specify which statements, by whom, in that video, suggesting that all statements in that video were by actors.

Again non-specific.

So, is it only this statement that might have been said by actors? (I can't watch the video right now to verify.)

What is an "official connection"? Is an ex-astronaut an "official connection" because he was part of NASA?

Can you specify exactly which statement or statements in that video you most object to, preferably with indication where in the video it is (minutes, seconds)? We might agree more than it seems, but you're very vague in what you're saying.

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The problem is more difficult than that. Some people who have attained posts reasonably high up in the government and military actually do believe in UFOs, or did while they were alive. Examples include (from that website) Nick Pope, John Callahan, Governor Fife Symington, and so on. They are not actors, but ordinary people who have the right to their opinions. of course; but a skeptic should analyse any statement they make, to see how much is simply opinion and how much can be used as evidence. Strong opinions, second-hand reports and poorly remembered incidents are not very good evidence, unfortunately.

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It is. Which only goes to show how hot a topic it is becoming. Which is probably why this documentary director is releasing what appears to be his third film in only a few years.

And sound bites are always suspect, especially when they're used the way they are in this trailer. We've no way to tell what was asked of the respondents, or whether the next words out of their mouths weren't 'but of course, I don't believe in any of it'. Being intelligent people, I'd suspect their opinions are much more balanced than these snippets make them out to be.

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The internet spreads information very quickly. Good information and bad. Putting ads for this movie on the internet is a cheap way of promoting it, and they're probably hoping for a viral phenom like "Cloverfield" produced. The True Believers (tm) will eat it up.

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Relax. You have a right to your blind beliefs but you must recognise the achievements of modern science. What ever you say the fact remains that it will not convince me that it is a worthy subject of my time or of any scientific interest in any twisted way that you want to present it. In fact I don't want to dedicate another 5 minutes of my time to this rubbish.

You have a right to use the Internet but use it with the critical mind. That is the last advice from my side. Sorry

My 2 cents.

Normandy, you made the original comments. slang was asking for clarification of what you meant. Nothing in slang's post suggested blind belief, or a wish to convince you of anything.

You need to read posts a little more carefully to work out what people actually said before making judgements like that.

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I know the Carter bite occurred at a book signing. They filmed him signing books and then ambushed him with the question about his sighting. The funny thing is Carter responded they never explained it. "They" was a UFO organization, who took his report and then filed it away. It wasn't until Carter became president did it become a big deal. Nobody ever gave Carter a response so he states "they" never explained it. "They" never tried but Robert Shaeffer did and figured it was very likley the planet Venus.

Exactly, thanks. I have watched the entire clip again (sigh), re-read all my posts in this thread, and I'm still flabbergasted how he'd arrive at what he seems to think my position is.

Normandy, who, in this clip, do you think are actors? Carter? The Belgian Airforce guy? Pope? Obama? It's your claim that there are actors involved, please be a little bit more specific about which persons you mean. That's all I'm asking.

FWIW, I don't believe in alien UFO's at all. There has been no conclusive evidence for them whatsoever. Was that not clear from my 2nd line in post #10? You mentioned students, are you one too, a teacher, or were you in the computer room for another reason?

You gave me advice to use a critical mind on the internet. That's what I'm doing now, here on BAUT, on the internet, with your actors claim.

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Let me back up Slang on this. I, too, have no belief in extraterrestrial visitation by aliens. I have seen and heard nothing that would convince me and do not expect me to any time soon, though I would love to be surprised. However, I have seen far too much about real people of varying status claiming that they do believe in alien visitation to dismiss it all as "actors." Frankly, it's as illogical as assuming that there are no genuine mistakes, that there are only hoaxes. It's assuming malicious intent where there is no reason to. (Except possibly on the part of the filmmaker, but it's much easier to find the relevant clips than to deal with actors.) And, of course, you don't have to trust the internet on this stance. There are such things as books and magazines. There have been interviews in the TV news. Now, it's possible those are all actors as well. But doesn't that begin to get a little unbelievable?

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

As I originally stated, these are not actors. I am quite familiar with all the UFO characters and personalities as well as some of the popular witnesses (Mike Fortson appears talking about landing a fleet of B-2 bombers on the Arizona UFO). I saw no actors but the same old characters used in "Out of the blue". Personally, I think the title should not read, "I know what I saw" but should read, "I know what I believe I saw". Of course, I will be using that title when I comment about it in the next issue of SUNlite hitting my webpage on September 1st. BTW, the latest issue SUNlite Vol1 no. 2 is available for reading for those interested.

Where is the conspiracy here ?

That they are actors ?

I like the one who said he saw it accelerate at the speed of light.

I still like how it's the US Air Force that's keeping this secret, then they go on talking about England, France and others as if they are all in on the secret.

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