Gillianren, (notice the spelling) has a extended knowledge of Shakespeare which you OBVIOUSLY lack...

To characterize that as "running off at (not with) the mouth" is completely disingenous. It is also the "type" of behavior that will not be tolerated on this board.

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Anyone like to bet on whether it says anything new? I can hardly wait!

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This statement makes no sense to me. You seem unresponsive to the replies already made.

1) The Apollo landings were independently corroborated by amateur radio buffs and the Soviets.

2) To fool the above by putting a relay device up there, NASA would have left evidence of the hoax on the Moon for perpetuity.

Therefore, no hoax, the landings happened.

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Yonder is Dubhe seen on Earth tonight as it was in the days of Grover Cleveland's presidency whereas this way is Deneb seen as it was in the lifetime of Muhammed . If one somehow travelled to Deneb at very close to c then whenever you looked back you'd measure Earth as closer to you than the distance you would simultaneously measure between Earth and Dubhe.

That's right ken...you're being censored...it's the only explanation... sheesh...

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Gillianren was correcting your interpretation, not your accuracy. You managed to read an entire post without understanding any of it. Coincidence, or clue?

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No sarcasm was intended. I'm quite serious in asking is there anything that would convince you?

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Were there hyperlinks in your post that is held up? The board automatically sends posts from new members with links in them to a moderator to approve to ensure that you are a real person and not a spam-bot. It's nothing personal.

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Bluster elsewhere, if you please. Your post is likely held up in moderation because it contained a URL -- a link likely to the conspiracy theory web site that has spoon-fed you all your uninformed beliefs. Posts from new users containing URLs are automatically held for moderator approval. I have no more authority or influence to change that situation than you do.

I asked if you had expended any original thought regarding your beliefs. Original thought does not require moderator approval before posting. Please supply some of that.

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Clavius Moon Base

He has managed to quote and respond to several posts without apparently addressing their contents. I think it is neither coincidence nor clue: I think it is a pattern. Many conspiracists are deeply entrenched in the expectation of only a certain type of response to their claims. They are wholly unable to deal with the notion that someone would object to their claims and be able to support that objection with facts.

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Welcome to the BAUT, Ken.

You are referring to the Charlie Rose interview of Carl Sagan from January 5, 1995.

Sagan did not claim in the interview that Viking in particular was NASA's greatest achievement. However, early in the interview, he did state that Voyager 1 was "...a triumph of human engineering."

In the July 16, 1989, issue of Parade magazine, Sagan wrote in the conclusion of his story, "The Gift of Apollo":

Sagan, in his 1994 book, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space, expanded on his Parade story:

This is the best I can do for now. I'm still recovering from an intestinal bug. Back to bed.

If Carl Sagan never promoted Apollo, how do you explain this excerpt from Pale Blue Dot?

Edit: Sorry Alan, I wasn't trying to repeat you, I just took too long to type my post again. And I hope you feel better soon.

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For being sick, you're doing pretty good.

Get well soon.

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Considering how similiar ken's "arguments" are to the typical HB's who come here, I would have to agree.

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"The facts gentlemen, and nothing but the facts, for careful eyes are narrowly watching." Isaac Asimov

Being new to this forum, I am amazed how polite you all are. I would have said the above myself, but in a manner which might have been severely moderated.

"At."

You'll note that my primary comment about Apollo was that you clearly don't understand the evidence in favour of it. Please, by all means prove me wrong.

Yeah, that was my problem with the quote. Not, a, that you had it backwards, or, b, that you'd misinterpreted it.

And can you please not change the font? It makes your posts annoying to read, and if you have valid things to say, I should think you'd want to avoid that.

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"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

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Boredom?

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Why was that sarcastic? it's a perfectly cromulent question.

What would convince you of the reality of Apollo?

Note that by the rules of the Forum you as the poster claiming a hoax have to answer valid questions.

Also as my fellow Moderator has pointed out posts from new members are held in a moderation Q if they have any kind of link in them, it's an anti - spam trap.

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Thanks for that reply Paul, as you have just highlighted one of the smoking guns that point to this whole thing being a non-event, the alleged 'photographs'.

Are you or anyone else here aware of any official NASA photographs that indicate fakery?

I'd just like to know before I introduce you all to some for the first time.

Thanks in advance.

Why not just post your evidence? So far all we have is bluster, insults and handwaving. I hope you had time to read the rules for posting as requested at the start of the thread? ALso at the top of the Conspiracy Forum is a 'sticky' thread with advice for people proposing a Conspiracy.

If your 'evidence' is taken from any of the Apollo CT Websites then I assure you we are all familiar with it and it has been discussed and rebutted here many times. Do a search of the Forum, all the past threads are available.

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Instead of laughing at me why not just answer the question as required by the rules?

What would convince you of the reality of apollo?

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Ken, how do you decide when anyone representing NASA is lying or not? How did you determine that Goldin's statement was an admission to the effect that no manned missions were possible at all beyond an altitude of 400 miles instead of an acknowledgement of a hurdle to be overcome in order to carry out planned long-term manned missions at or above that altitude?

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We are all very well aware of official photographs that conspiracy fantasists have tried to use as evidence of fraud.

I will be very surprised if you have anything to show that we haven't seen a hundred times before - but go ahead, we're big boys (and girls) here, and we're prepared to be surprised.

However, it might be in your interest to check out some previous posts on the subject. I wouldn't want you to embarrass yourself by saying, "Look, there are no stars!" or "Look, these shadows are not parallel!" or "Look, the blast crater under the lander is not as big as my mate down the pub said it should be!"

I note, by the way, that you do not seem to intend to answer my questions about where they were faked. It's funny how reluctant hoax believers are to answer that.

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