I discovered this gem on krishna.org. There's about half a dozen blogs entries related to the moon hoax. Some of the blogs comments are priceless.

Oh this is gold ...

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Oddly, I'm pretty sure "feet" is the correct spelling for this article.

HAs anyone heard this before?

I know of eight.


arrgghhhhh so many errors... so little time. It's actually pretty funny to read. I particularly enjoy the emotive language throughout.

But yeah ... the replies to the article are hilarious. Some people need a good slap and talking to.

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I wonder if STMan on that site is on BAUT?

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Jay discussed the claim about Aldrin on the Clavius page responding to this article.

Also the original article apparently did say "feat" and also it said "light meters" not "white meters."

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Thanks for the link LaurelHS

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Jay, Jay, Jay! Have I spotted a mistake in your article?

Surely the pressure in a football is gauge pressure or it would implode in the atmosphere? And surely the pressure in the space suits is absolute pressure or their pressurised to more than atmospheric?

Al Schmitt stated the suit pressure was 3.7 p.s.i. That would be absolute. As for the footballs, they're rock hard, so 12+ p.s.i. above atmospheric sounds right.


BTW, did anybody else think this was a thread about Hare Krishnas claiming to have gone to the moon?

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Either way, Jay is quoting the differential between inside and outside pressure, so his figures are comparable.

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In terms of flexibility, it's gauge pressure. For a space suit, gauge pressure happens also to be absolute pressure in that application. As a matter of fact, when donning a space suit in a 5 psi cabin environment it operates at 5 psia (0 psig) especially when connected to the spacecraft ECS, but deflates to 3.5 when the cabin environment vents to space.

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Clavius Moon Base

And that is actually a much weaker response than is appropriate: there is no evidence outside of Ralph Rene's undocumented claim that any such occurrence took place.

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I was thinking the same thing, Jay. While you're addressing possible reasons as to why Aldrin might have been upset, there is no evidence that this "incident" actually occured in the first place.

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Okay fair enough. In my line of work, the switching between gauge pressure and absolute pressure is somewhat arbitrary. It's some point between the reservoir and the wellhead and for no good reason. For practical purposes, the outside pressure is irrelevant. And just what is outside pressure in the reservoir anyway? Still, one battle at a time. We need to begin actually measuring well head pressure and bottom hole pressure in the same units first!

Alan Shepard died of cancer... so another 'untruth'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Shepard

Nick

So did Jack Swigert.

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Deke Slayton died from cancer (brain tumor).

Wally Schirra died from a heart attack that was related to cancer - mesothelioma.

But the article was referring to cancer caused by radiation exposure and as far as I know, mesothelioma is caused by exposure to asbestos, not radiation.

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Yes mesothelioma is caused by exposure to asbestos, but like all cancers, can be made worst by additional factors.

I stand corrected. Incidentally, this correction wouldn't be valid if it was referring to the original article because Schirra was still alive when that was written. But it is a valid correction to make to the person who reposted the article on the Krishna site since they posted it in 2009 and Schirra died in 2007.

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"One does not require alien ruins in order to absorb a profound sense of wonder and mystery from the moon. That our civilization had actually visited it is miracle enough." Jason Roberts

Does it strike anyone as odd that a lot of the Hindus are now Scientists and Scholars and the youth of other countries are trying to become Hindus??(In the sense of the religious teachings)...

What the heck?? This is like; The Fastest gun in the West is Japanese and the best Samurii Swordsmith is a Texan!!

Dale in Ala

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I laff.

Is there a secret website that provides outlines, or templates, or at least some sort of guide on "How to make a 'Man Landing on the Moon' was a Hoax" site of your very own? Of course, included in the instructions, will be the stern advice to insist that you reached all your own conclusions by means of 'independent' thought.

It is nothing short of absurd, that all these sites are so identical. I suppose that this one doesn't use a lot of CAPS, and other bizarre webpage design, so I give it credit at least for that.

Otherwise, its the same old thing. Come up with a question or two, then leap to a conclusion, that "MUST" mean it was all a giant fake. Add some random thoughts about things that have absolutely no bearing on the issue, and claim that is proof also.

Why is it, that so many people would rather believe that we are all a bunch of dupes, and so easily led astray, never bright enough to understand what sheep we are? That it was easier for NASA to fake the moon landing, pay out apparently billions of dollars in hush money, and still do such a poor job of the fake, that hundreds of 'independent thinkers' can watch some footage and instantly realize that its fake? Let's see, we are scientists, and the very best in our field.... oops, we forgot to add in the stars! who was responsible for turning on the starlights? Hollywood has been showing craters under spaceships for years, but not one of the thousands of people involved on this movie set thought about adding one to the scene? Gee, golly.

Myself, I'd rather embrace that magnificent accomplishment, to applaud the effort, the sacrifice, the imagination, not just of our own space program, but of programs around the world, that inspired, and motivated us to reach that lofty goal.

It makes me wish I could go back and live my life over, so I could be part of some of the amazing things that mankind has done in space.

It's hardly a "secret website", they just copy each other and change some pictures and colors, if at all. Take a "juicy" bit of text from one and google it, you'll see dozens if not hundreds of other sites with the exact same text. What I call "cascading errors".

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Excuse me, Dale in Ala, but why should that strike anybody anywhere as being "odd"?

What are you implying?

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The Krishnas need to stick to haranguing people in airports.

I was rolling on the floor as I pictured "Monks In Lab Coats".

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"Pie Iesu Domine <whack>, I think we need to use a higher-order polynomial smoothing curve on this data set."

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Clavius Moon Base

They've been pushing the Milne article for years, and none of their clergy is able or willing to debate it or support it. Their interpretation of certain holy writ suggests the Moon is much farther away than astronomical fact establishes, hence the Moon landings have to be staged.

The attitude I have a problem with is the opinion given by one respondent (whose comments have now fallen into the abyss of "Older Posts") who says we should ignore the quibbling over small points of physical law and stick to the larger, more esoteric points of caring for those around them and living to some moral standard. Fine, if that's what you want: but then don't try to dabble in science that you don't understand. You can't throw out a pseudo-scientific article that appears to support your belief and then try to backpedal when it goes badly for you.

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I vaguely remembered something about that, but didn't recall the details. From this page:

http://krishna.org/man-on-the-moon-a...ns-of-dollars/

Uh, huh. What I get from that (and some other bits I won't go into) is that there's no point in discussing moon landings with these folks.

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Disclaimer: Avatar is not an official NASA image and does not imply any specific interplanetary or interstellar capability.

The Leif Ericson Cruiser

Van, it's "cute" that they "accept" the modern calculation of the distance to the Sun, but not the modern calculation of the distance to the Moon. (Of course, it could be that the lady with the six arms is faster at counting on her fingers than us mere mortals.)

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With smiling [faces] lyin' to ye' everywhere ye' go
Turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain
And like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again.

I am saying that now the Hindus are Scientists and the American Youth are Sadhus...ie: The grass is always greener on the otherside of the cultural fence...I am wondering what it would take to get the youth interested in Science rather than someone else's mysticism??

NASA does not have a website attacking Hindu teachings, so why does this particular cult attack NASA?? It is almost as if they have nothing else to do, or perhaps there is some other reason I am not aware of...

Dale

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