Ok so here goes:







What the HECK is that object and how does it MOVE around like that?

Thanks. Original source, with links to original nasa images:
http://www.marsanomalyresearch.com/e...g-evidence.htm

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Spirit moved between the two shots, or these are shots from two, separated, cameras. Look at the gap between the two tallest rocks. Those pictures were not taken from the same location, and the disappearing rock is behind the taller one.

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You know, in his defense, there's not much more for him to explain. There are two images, and something that appears to move between the two images. I'd say he's done explaining his theory.

maggador, here's my explanation, the camera has moved far enough to the right in your second image to obscure the object. You ask, "where it is" my answer is, "it's behind the big rock."

It *looks* like the object is right next to the big rock, which means it couldn't be obscured behind it. I propose to you that it's not right next to the big rock, it's a bit farther away.

If I wasn't so busy at work, I would try to recreate the scene that I describe in a 3d program. Maybe someone else can do that. If not, I can do it over the weekend.

The rover moves quite a bit between those days, your object of interest was further behind the rock formation than it appears in 2 dimensions, and therefore it does not appear near the rock formation in other images taken from different spots. If you look at stereo images of the initial picture you'll see what I mean.

Thanks for the welcome and sorry if I came on somewhat abrupt, that was not my intention.

Also thanks for the "moving rovers" theory, but that does not explain how the object suddenly appears here:


We are not talking about that much of a difference of perspective here, certainly not enough to make one object move that much in perspective while all the others keep more or less the same - specially considering this object is in the background of the other objects, if it was in the foreground and close to the camera it could have been, but all objects here are relatively far away from the camera and at the same time close enough to eachother to rule out this when examining these photos. The angle barely changes at all.

thanks

Also, I would like to add, I decided to posted this in the conspiracy section as I am certain NASA is hiding things and tampering with images from both the moon and mars, something which have been confirmed by several high ranking officials of the governments including NASA employees whom took part of that very specific work of removing signs of life from such images. Though these photos do not seem to be tampered with, unless the "moving object" itself is a sign of this, could be possible, unless the object is actually moving.

Here's a cross-eye stereogram to show what I was talking about. The middle dark rock is actually much farther in the background, so it's way out of the field when the rover moves. Cross your eyes till the images overlap to see in 3d.

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If you're going to make bold claims here, you're going to have to prove them.
Or the object is just more distant than you guessed without doing any parallax or stereo image checking...

Yep. I see what you mean.

That settles it for me.

Wow, that just sounds ridiculous. But ok. Let's assume for a moment what you say is true. *Who* were these "high ranking" officials? Names and titles please. Where and when did they make these claims? Is there video of the event, or a transcript of the conversations where these claims were made?

Rob

*sigh* Some people have been faster, so the only thing left to me is to post links to the source images.

From sol 1833:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...P1985L0M1.HTML
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/galle...P1985R0M1.HTML

These are the images used in the stereogram above. You can open them in separate tabs and switch quickly between them - the effect is quite noticeable. The larger images also provide more context - it is clearly evident that the "split rock" is on a small hill (heap?) in front of a larger hill that is covered with those darker rocks.

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So you will have the appropriate transcripts and names of these 'high ranking officials' and 'NASA employees' then.

Please post them for us to read.

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I still find the above explanations unsatisfying for the third image I supplied, how would it get over to the far left like that without at the same time also changing the angle of the other rocks to a significant degree? In my original post you have to click the like to see the third image, though I posted a post with it separate after the comments above and await moderator approval.

Also I would recommend you to read the full report on the original source site I linked to, the angle and perspective issue is re-debunked there as well.

With that said, I do not agree with the authors own theories regarding half eaten carcasses and so on, I am soley interested in the mentioned object/rock and a good explanation on how it would move like that.

If the "moving rover" proposition is valid, I would like to ask anyone who can supply me with some similar images with similar effects of objects taken here on Earth, showing an object behind other objects moving and dissapearing from right all the way to the left of the image while the perspective and angle of the other objects remain rather similar. It also has to be objects of more or less the same size and not huge mountains or things like that as the objects the rovers have photographed are small rocks.

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No names will be forthcoming because the shadow government "deals" with whistleblowers. Or something like that. Maybe, "the sources have sworn us to secrecy." That's a good one too.

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Talkie Toaster: The question is this: given that God is infinite and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?

Robross: Indeed there is a video testimony of them, several of them, including the person from NASA whom worked with removing the evidence, you can watch that video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

Huge amount of governmental employees of high ranks speaking forth there.

Also, several of the astronauts themselves claims NASA and the governments are hiding the truth, and they have said so publically several times, claiming UFOs and Aliens are real and that the governments know this.

One of the NASA employees whom claims they had photos of bases on the moon that was not revealed to the public (sorry I cant find the other one whom worked with removing such things from the images, but its all in the video above, this is an outtake from that video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvcBMdQcjj4

I can't do cross-eyed 3D visualisation, so I copied NGChunter's image and swapped the images over; yes, it is very plain to see that the mysterious 'moving' object is much, much further away than most of the foreground rocks, so would not appear in the second image.

Mystery solved.

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Actually their names and ranks are known and they have testified in the National Press Club in public and they all would go before congress to testify on this under oath. Last time I checked they were several hundred in total of different ranks of governmental employees from places like NASA, NSA, FBI, CIA, Military and Army, Navy, Pilots, etc. That includes some of the Astronauts that went to the moon.

Then tell us who they are.

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And those people would be....who exactly?

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That's the Disclosure Project; discussed many times on this forum, and very variable in quality. The reliable witnesses have nothing concrete to offer, the unreliable ones have nothing truthful to offer.

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If a moderator is approving my last couple posts you will soon know, I posted some links to videos with them.

Cheers.

I'd rather have the names please. I'm not interested in trolling through videos.

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Talkie Toaster: The question is this: given that God is infinite and that the universe is also infinite, would you like a toasted tea-cake?

Anyway, that is getting kind of off topic for now, I will await for my other posts to be approved first as I asked something regarding the third image.

For now, I would like to ask how "far away" you think this object is from the more nearby rocks? It obviously cant be that much as this is as far I can see on rather flat terrain and the objects are all decently close to the camera as there are many more visible far behind including a large slope/hill in the far back .

Disclosure project aside, do you understand the perspective change issue in the images you asked about?

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All I see is the rover moved, and changed focal lengths.

BTW, despite the terribly compressed images you posted, I think the edge of that rock MAY be just visible - what does anyone else think?

Edit: - I had my angles wrong initially. The dark top of the "moving" rock may just be visible above the left-hand one of the two large rocks in the foreground.

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I don't understand : How can you do a stereogram with only one picture ? By definition you need two or I am mistaken ?

I have an other question : Is there a possibility the rover has push down the object , trying to study it ?