What is causing the apparent camera shake in this clip?

Happens at about 2 mins and again 2min 50 secs approx

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/a14v.1310012.rm (real player)

Journal Text: 131:00:12 RealVideo Clip: (3 minutes 36 seconds).

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/video14.html

also can anyone verify this clip

'from the live STS-48 Nasa feed in 1991'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7IzXHsym7k

This video shows many moving objects, one of which appears to make a non-linear trajectory commencing middle bottom of frame early in the clip. What are these objects (they appear a bit close for comfort if orbiting debris or satellites, though I guess all paths are known) and how did one object alter direction?

Interestingly stars can be seen in the sky. Why?

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What conspiracy are you proposing?

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That's where stars are... in the sky. Where else would you see them?

Did you even bother to search this forum for "STS-48" in case it has been discussed earlier, before you decided it was "odd"?

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James Oberg has written about the STS-48 objects.

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For me, that video was wobbly throughout, probably due to the conversion process from the original format to RealVideo. I didn't see anything unusual during the moments you indicated.

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The Apollo 14 shaking camera is caused by Mitchell and Shepard treading on the TV camera cable. There are certain referenhces to them to watch their footing. At the closeout of EVA 2 they tangle the cabble enough to topple the TV camera over.

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That's what I always dislike most: Those "skeptics" always just read up to the point where something happens they can't explain to themselves within 15 seconds. If they would continue to the end of all, they would find all the necessary explanations for themselves. But this would mean work.

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And the woo peddlers practice the old rule: To lie most effectively, tell the truth, then shut up. (Say just enough to convey a misinterpretation of the events, so as to confuse the issue.)

Prime example. One day in class a student gave a report on a president's visit to a foreign country. "The visit was obviously just a photo op, as Air Force never even shut its engines down." I pointed out that for some reason or other the crew liked to keep the lights on and the radios working, and Rwanda was not famous as a consistent source of electricity.

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I am not 'proposing' any conspiracy, I am just looking for answers to clips others have conspiracy theories about so as to be better informed. If I am in the wrong section with the thread my apologies. If any conspiracy is supported by these videos, it would be that old chestnut the 'Moon Landing Hoax' which, as I have previously stated, I am agnostic about (and probably always will be).

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It is wobbly throughout, but there are two instances of which the first is I think the most extreme (just after 2.00) where a violent picture shake occurs. So the entire video is not just 'wobbly throughout'. This is my observation, anyway.

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I did not search this forum - sorry. I should have thought to do so. I will examine what has previously been said

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Yes but the Earth is also lit. I was under the impression that a sunlit Earth would mask any stars in the sky, from previous discussions about Apollo photographs and footage.

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I haven't watched the videos (refuse to install RM) but you have clearly misunderstood the previous discussions. It is not that the sunlit Earth would "mask" stars in the sky, it all depends on the camera settings. If you want to correctly expose a brightly lit surface, then stars are unlikely to show. If you don't mind letting the brightly lit surface get washed out and overexposed, you may be able to image stars.

Explanation of ice particles from the shuttle, or satellites, for the smaller moving objects makes plausible sense. The issue for me though is the co-existence of stars and illuminated planet at the same camera exposure setting. I thought this was ruled out and the reason given for no stars on any Apollo (or for that matter day-side Shuttle - correct me if I am wrong) pictures?

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Sorry our posts crossed. The Earth in the video in question seems to be properly exposed - clouds can be seen, and it is not so bright.

The only thing I can think of is that Earth was in fact in twilight, though then you would expect a gradation of light to dark across the surface, not something I noticed. I guess there will be a way of finding out the exact attitude of the Sun, Earth and Shuttle at the time of the video.

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VLC media player plays Real Media files just fine and is a generally well behaved and very good media player overall, its ability to play almost all major formats natively is a major selling point, or at least would be if it wasn't free open source software.

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I hate Real Player but had to capitulate

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I will try your suggestion seeing as it is within my price range

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Imaging a sunlit planet and stars at the same time is not physically impossible, it just requires film or sensors with very high dynamic range. It's possible this camera was designed for imaging scenes with a particularly wide range of brightnesses. If it was using certain filters (UV, for example, or graduated filters that reduce the amount of light from the Earth), it would be easier. It's unusual to see stars and brightly illuminated objects in the same image, and difficult to achieve, but not evidence of tampering or faking in either the image/video with stars, or in others without stars.

In fact, the camera in this case seems set to image atmospheric layers that can not easily be seen under usual conditions. I suspect that the Earth in this image is actually moon-lit, and that the camera is looking at airglow at dawn or dusk, perhaps looking for noctilucent clouds or aurora, in which case seeing a few bright stars is not surprising. In fact, here's a very similar picture from a later mission:

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/sseop/EFS/ph...=STS097-354-36

ah yes - it actually says the airglow is only seen at night. Thanks for that link

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Chalk up another recommendation for VLC, I have yet to come across a file or format that it cannot play, even where the supposed native application claims that a file is damaged or otherwise unplayable.

The only reason I have ever found for installing Real Player was that the BBC used this for a great deal of their video content. Fortunately, they supplied a "crippled", ad free and significantly less invasive version for installation. Even more fortunately, they have now moved pretty much everything into iPlayer/Flash video format, so Real is long gone from my system.

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There is a black frame edge in the Apollo 14 footage. I have seen this many times when I digitize analog video for digital processing in an editing program.

If you replay the "shaking" that occurs at 2:07, the black edge moves in unison with the "shaking". In my experience, this usually happens when there is tape buckling or some other damage to the analog tape source. No "violent" shaking of the camera required.

It would be interesting to see if the motion goes away when the video is stabilized.

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I watched the video. The extreme compression used when converting it to real media format creates the bubbling or wobbling throughout. The astronauts stepping on the video cable will make the camera shake due to the very flimsy and lightweight nature of the video camera stand. Think of trying to balance a 5 pound weight atop a 1/4" diameter 3 foot tall aluminum rod. The video camera is stable as long as the astronauts don't step on the frigging cable! As for the things streaming through the frames in the other video, I don't know since I don't know the context of the video.