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Old 22-August-2009, 01:13 PM
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Apollo 11 Lunar UFO images (38 of them ):
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....-ufos&tid=2905

Ok skeptics, dismiss all 38 images if you can...
Certainly a UFO or 2 there...
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Apollo 11 Lunar UFO images (38 of them ):
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....-ufos&tid=2905

Ok skeptics, dismiss all 38 images if you can...
Certainly a UFO or 2 there...
Yep, there is plenty of unidentified stuff, though with the very low quality of the images you have posted it hard to tell about the "flying" part of Unidentified Flying Object. Providing some more context for the images such as the particular bit of the record they are from would give more opportunity to identify what they are actually of. If I am guessing correctly you are posting stills of the video feed from Apollo 11, which is unfortunately known to be of very low quality and prone to producing artefacts so is not much use for analysis.
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It's your burden to prove those features don't belong in those photos ordinarily.

Good heavens, you provide extremely enlarged close-ups -- far beyond the natural resolution of the underlying medium -- of abstractly shaped features with little or no context, some of them even photographed from a television screen. What makes you think that's any valid form of photographic analysis?
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Apollo 11 Lunar UFO images (38 of them ):
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....-ufos&tid=2905

Ok skeptics, dismiss all 38 images if you can...
Certainly a UFO or 2 there...
So what do you think is going on? Do you think the UFOs that are "certainly" there are alien space vessels?

I have to say, I find the "if you can" challenge enormously amusing.
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Apollo 11 Lunar UFO images (38 of them ):
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....-ufos&tid=2905

Ok skeptics, dismiss all 38 images if you can...
Certainly a UFO or 2 there...

I see grossly magnified images that do not show anything in context. Blurred pixellated images are subject to misinterpretation by pareidolia. For example, the first blurry image is obviously a crater on the Moon. Since it is oval it can also be interpreted as a flying saucer. However, using Occam's Razor it is much more likely that it is a crater, since there are literally millions of them on the Moon. The second photo is an enlargement of a portion of the the Apollo Service Module in orbit around the Moon.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and I see none here.

Reference my avatar at upper left.

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Old 22-August-2009, 03:02 PM
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Those pictures are more of the "can you identify this object" out of focus everyday things that some puzzle and game books would run.

Or as Tom of MST3K said..."can we get a frame of reference here?"
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All 38 images, I dismiss thee!

...There.
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OK, what are your research qualifications? What education (or job training) do you have that makes you an expert in photo-analysis?
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Apollo 11 Lunar UFO images (38 of them ):
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....-ufos&tid=2905

Ok skeptics, dismiss all 38 images if you can...
Certainly a UFO or 2 there...
you surely must have better photo's then what you provided.
It is quite amusing that this is your best evidence for UFO's.

And why don't you give explanation's for your photo's? in stead of here explain this.
In all honesty there is nothing to explain from what you provided,except that the diver went off the deep end.
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>>Hi, I'm a renegade researcher. Here to challenge the skeptics.. <<

OK, what are your research qualifications?
A good question, Tim. But it's about time someone started researching renegades.
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I have seen some of those pictures before. The pictures near the beginning are the lights that were man-made for the Apollo mission to give them light when they needed it on the surface, it had already come up on a television show where they debunked it. A lot of the pictures that you showed were very hard to see. I can't distinguish anything from them and I have no idea what I was looking at. So I will make the less crazy assumption and say that they could have been photographing a rock, something was on the lens et cetera.

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Certainly a UFO or 2 there...
Actually most of them are unidentified objects because no one knows what they are looking at.
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It would be nice if the OP returned, if only so that he might learn that "renegade researchers" are ten a penny, whereas individuals who actually know something about a topic are priceless.
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Good heavens, you provide extremely enlarged close-ups -- far beyond the natural resolution of the underlying medium -- of abstractly shaped features with little or no context, some of them even photographed from a television screen. What makes you think that's any valid form of photographic analysis?
Exactly, Jay. So anything I see in the photos might be:

1) Something in/on my computer.
2) Something in/on the OP's computer.
3) Something in/on the OP's camera.
4) Something in/on the TV screen the OP photographed.
5) Something in/on the TV broadcaster's equipment.
6) Something in/on the astronaut's cameras.
7) Maybe something actually in space.
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It would be nice if the OP returned, if only so that he might learn that "renegade researchers" are ten a penny, whereas individuals who actually know something about a topic are priceless.
An internet search using the string "Nommos Prime (Dogon)" yields some interesting background info on the OP from other sites.
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A good question, Tim. But it's about time someone started researching renegades.
Thread was worth reading after all.
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An internet search using the string "Nommos Prime (Dogon)" yields some interesting background info on the OP from other sites.
Well, it seems that someone with the same user name as the OP is a hardline fantasist. I will refrain from speculating about the OP himself, of course.
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I will refrain from speculating about the OP himself, of course.
Sorry. Of course you're right. Let me restate (as you have done) that the internet search results do not imply the OP and those others are the same person.
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It would be nice if the OP returned, if only so that he might learn that "renegade researchers" are ten a penny, whereas individuals who actually know something about a topic are priceless.
And shouldn't a "renegade researcher" be a skeptic if they're to be any good at it? Or is yet another person who doesn't know the actual meaning of the word "skeptic"?
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An internet search using the string "Nommos Prime (Dogon)" yields some interesting background info on the OP from other sites.
And the award for understatement of the year goes to....



I quite like the "I had occasion to borrow a mate's Particle Accelerator and I can build my own EMP Rail Guns..." claims.

As to his grossly zoomed pictures, most look like parts of the LEM to me...but without knowing more about their context, who's to say
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I quite like the "I had occasion to borrow a mate's Particle Accelerator and I can build my own EMP Rail Guns..." claims.
In fairness, I have a particle accelerator. It's in a TV. Particle accelerators, in themselves, are quite mundane. There are also the build-your-own, science fair project versions of particle accelerators. Now, if the claim is for something like the LHC, it's another story.

Rail guns are in the same category. People have built them, they just aren't terribly practical.
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I don't understand the UFO claims hee...I see a bunch of bad reproductions of Apollo images, and a lot of pictures that appear to be photos of images on a TV screen/computer monitor.
What's wrong with just using the original images? I don't see anything extraordinary here.
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Apollo 11 Lunar UFO images (38 of them ):
http://forums.about.com/n/pfx/forum....-ufos&tid=2905

Ok skeptics, dismiss all 38 images if you can... Certainly a UFO or 2 there...
These images are very slow to load on dialup so I only looked at a few. Whatever is in most of them can only be described as fuzzy blobs. I don't understand why some people imagine there's anything sensible about "analysing" photos that are not sharp and clear.

One of the photos (the link to something so rubbishy was deservedly forgotten) is a front-on view of a command module.

The major objects in img019.jpg are the ascent stage of Apollo 16's lunar module Orion, with two craters on Mare Fecunditatis in the lower right quarter.

At bottom right is the crater Lindbergh, otherwise known as Messier G, 13 km diameter and at 5.4 degrees south, 52.9 degrees east. At far right, below centre and partly cut off, is Ibn Battuta or Goclenius A, 12 km diameter and at 6.9 degrees south, 50.4 degrees east. Both craters are shown from an angle impossible to see them from on earth. Cropped out of the picture are craters Messier and Messier A which would be on the left in this picture as it is. The entire image is flipped left to right and is a still from the 16mm data acquisition camera aboard the command module Casper. It may have been taken from the movie Apollo 16: Nothing So Hidden.

Where exactly the unidentified flying object is escapes me. There is certainly no alien spacecraft, or IFO, in the picture.

The image has also had the contrast increased, been turned to monochrome and rephotographed from a TV screen or monitor, which indicates the poster is just playing silly games. If he or she pointed out the "unidentified flying objects" among the blobs in his/her photos it might be helpful.

A similar view to this can can be seen right-way-round and with far greater clarity in AS16-122-19533.
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As usual, the OP makes a statement and then does not reply to the critical comments.

Do you notice that people that post this kind of stuff are invariably "newbies".
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As usual, the OP makes a statement and then does not reply to the critical comments.

Do you notice that people that post this kind of stuff are invariably "newbies".
My feeling is that they just post and run to get more eyeballs looking at their oddball theories and sites. Even on Baut I'm sure we have the occasional casual lurker that gets pulled in. Plus, they can truthfully claim to have vetted their whackadoodle ideas on a reputable astronomy board even if it was to a hail of critical thinking and debunking. They just leave the criticism and debunking out.
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A hit and run theory? Yes that seems to be becoming the norm for these guys.

I see 38 out of focus blurry unidentified images. Alien spacecraft though? No.

You would think Old Buzz and Neil would've framed the shot better if they saw Alien Craft.

Kinda one of the things Astronauts would be sure to record if they were buzzed by them.

No pun intended

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Images 21, 23 and 19 all look like the same crater on the moon. Image 18 looks like the earth.

I didn't bother with any after that, it seemed pointless.
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OK folks, like the Gary Larson cartoon with the zebra cops and the lion kill... move along, its all over. Let's drop the discussion about moderation and get back to the topic at hand.

Which mean Nommos Prime (Dogon), do you have anything to say in response to your OP?
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