@ RobDegraves, Yes I know that the Mayan's never predicted the end of the world and if you read the whole thread you can see that I never say that I think that they did. But thank you anyway for the post.


As i recall Mckenna got most of hes parts to his theories from Out Of Body Experience's and therefore they are'nt worth to trust.

Are you asking a question or making a statement?

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Statement, i wrote wrong, however i dont know if it is true, but this thread aint about timewave zero so lets leave that behind.

Become part of the modern nations of Mexico, Belize, and Guatemala? Well, if you think that will work.....

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No problem....just curious.

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"The facts gentlemen, and nothing but the facts, for careful eyes are narrowly watching." Isaac Asimov

Well, except the reason so many people claim it's all going to happen in 2012 has to do with the Mayan calendar, even if they never mention it. That's why it's the year they reference. You'll note it's always 2012, and there's never a reason given that isn't either Nostradamus or the Mayans--and if it's Nostradamus, the Mayans usually come in somewhere anyway.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Well, he said himself that he developed a lot of his ideas while taking psychedelic drugs. I don't take his interpretations of his drug trips very seriously.

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Certain musicians of the 1960s may have also written many things under the influence of psychedelic drugs (allegedly) but accurate predictions of future cataclysmic events weren't among them.

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Anyone seen my marbles? Anyone ... ?

Hallucinations and psychedelic trips are pretty much perpendicular to seeing the actual world and stating facts. Sure, perhaps you may be "enlightened" in some way or another a few times, but it mostly results in you getting more creative: e.g. certain musicians of the 1960s. Now creativity isn't a bad thing, but being creative with your perception doesn't make what you think you see any more true.

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Put it this way--I wouldn't post every idea I had in the grips of full-fledged mania, either. You need a filter. The issue, to me, is not the validity of the mechanism--which I don't think is completely valid, and certainly not "medical"--but the quality of the filter. I can guarantee you that those much-vaunted drug-addled artists (not just of the '60s, either, even if we're including the 1860s) produced a lot of stuff that wasn't worth a thing. The filter's the important bit here, and it doesn't seem to be very effective in this case.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

'All Elephants are gray, but not all gray things are elephants.'
Dr Sheldon Cooper, Big Bang Theory

I have had that quote in my head for some time just looking for somewhere to drop it.

Sorry for the late post, just saw the thread. It has been weeks since I last browsed.

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Okey so I debunked that text for my class mate and then he sends me this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tLPJ9KdbzQ&feature=fvw .

One more thing that scares me is that history channel and fox are doing show about this stuff, when something like the end of the world theorys goes out in to public televison peapole will take it seriosly.

And that is one other thing that scares me, if channels like the history channel makes show about it, then there might be some thing to this?
Other wise wy would the history channel make shows about it?

Ratings.

It gets viewers.

And money. :P

sorry for that panic frase

''And that is one other thing that scares me, if channels like the history channel makes show about it, then there might be some thing to this?
Other wise wy would the history channel make shows about it?''

I am angry at the history channel, cuse they make shows about peapoles deepest fears and tell them that is is true. When I saw one of the programs the said that the '' I ching'' was a doomsday profetsy.

I agree completely.

The Learning Channel and the History Channel (FoX never was any good) have both gone this route.

I stopped watching both a long time ago...

Sorry to ask again but there is still one more thing that bugs me, and that is the claim that the universe will reset to the time of it's creation. I dont know if I sould belive it or not please explain wy it is wrong ( if it is)

Why would it possibly be right? Have you ever heard of such an outlandish thing?

Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. If somebody is going to say something as huge as the universe resetting itself will happen, he or she will need to provide some huge evidence to show that it will actually happen.

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Why would it?

Does a spilled glass of milk right itself and gush backwards into the glass?

The person you told me that the universe resets bilve in god and are a new ager.

She says '' it have happend before''.

The only thing she has fore an evidence is that she says ''prove me wrong, there is no evidence that is have not reset it self before''

So there you go, i know it is not a vaild argument but it keeps a 14 year old kid awake a night.

She makes the claim, she needs to provide evidence. Saying "prove that they didn't" doesn't mean a thing. One thing you could do is say "there's an invisible elf on my shoulder. Prove me wrong".

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there you go, i know it must sound silly that i am worried about this stuff but i cant help it.

Just because someone says it is "scientifically proven" doesn't make it so. Its like saying "It's scientifically proven that monkeys spontaneously turn into leaping leprichuans".

And capitalizing it doesn't make it more true.

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Favole... when I was 14, I entertained some interesting notions.

To be blunt, by asking questions, you are showing more maturity than I had at your age.

Not that I show much maturity now...

Anyway... It all is a learning process. Critical thinking is a learning process. It does not happen immediately, just as learning math or science does not happen immediately.
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http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html
Read each one. Take time to really think about how often you use each one of these in daily life.
Think about how often you hear them..

And think especially hard about why they are fallacies.

In your quote, the statement is made:
Let me be clear: Nothing in science is ever proven. Ever.
Science does not work that way and if you see someone claiming something was proven by science- it demonstrates that they do not know science.

Science makes observations in order to theorize the most accurate Model of reality that it can.

That is all it does.

Models can be changed with new and better observations. That's science. It can create a model that says it's 99.999999999999999999999999% likely that water is wet. But it can never prove that water is wet.

Sorry, but that was one big load of incoherent nonsense right there.

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My first piece of advice is to ignore Fox entirely. You'll be better informed.

As to the History Channel . . . well, there's a lot of knowing what to watch involved there, and it makes me very upset about how much more of that it takes than it used to. Yesterday morning, I saw a very interesting show about humans in the Americas--mostly, actually, they talked about humans in what would become Los Angeles, because there's a very good source of fossils (albeit mostly not human ones) in downtown--and it was, based on what I remember from trips to the museum they showed in it, accurate and informative. I think the show about the "Lost Pyramid" they'd played before it was pretty good, too. The best guide I can offer is to ignore anything with the word "Nostradamus" in it. "Doomsday" is probably another one worth avoiding, though they have put that in actual educational programming once or twice. "Da Vinci" sounds as though it should be right out, but they've played a very good debunking show now and again.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

You can help it.

Did you read Demon-Haunted World yet?

Are you using your baloney detection kit?

Stop being helpless.

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Edit:

I just did this to another article, but this one is just as deserving. This is for those searchers who might be drawn to this topic because of the manifold appearances of the string "2012". The rest of you can go on about your business.

Here are some BAUT Forum topics that have addressed aspects of predictions for year 2012, and some allied articles:

1. 2003 no, 2012 si
2. 2012
3. End of Mayan Calendar
4. Pole shift / Planetary alignment 2012?
5. 2012 alignment question
6. about the Mayan 2012 item
7. 2012 Debunking?
8. Possible asteroid impact in 2012?
9. 2012 asteroid?
10. We don't have to worry about 2012!
11. More on 2012 from India Daily
12. 2012 Completion of conspiracy?
13. Here's what's REALLY going to happen in 2012...
14. crop circles, Planet X and 2012
15. Planet X, crop circles and 2012 cataclysma
16. According to the Mayans, what will happen on 23rd Dec. 2012?
17. More 2012 Nonsense
18. NEO 2012?
19. Dangerous NEO in 2012?
20. Christmas 2012
21. 2012 mayan calender end of world
22. Regarding the supposed polar shift/new ice age in 2012
23. New 2012 threat?
24. 2012 look at this thing on the sun
25. Russian Expert Predicts Global Cooling from 2012
26. Pole shift idea origins
27. Dec 20 2012
28. 2012 Stuff
29. No reply previous question
30. Horizon Project-New End of World Scare?
31. Date: December 21st 2012
32. Earth passing thru Galactic center in 2012 - didn't that already happen?
33. 2012: What do you think well happen (if anything)
34. So what will we see in 2012?
35. Galactic Tsunami?
36. Plane of the ecliptic of the galaxy?
37. Earth's Magnetic Field & 2012
38. 2012?
39. Any truth to this?
40. How can the sun be aligned with Galactic centre?
41. the whole 2012 poles flip nonsense
42. Planet X Official Advertisement
43. What year are we in
44. Quick question about the sun
45. Galactic Alignment
46. Books of 2012! -
47. 2007 = 2012
48. Return of Planet X By Rand
49. Don Alejandro - Mayan Elder.
50. Toutatis 4179: 2012?
51. Galactic Alignment in 2012 ?
52. Solar Storms
53. A real prediction!
54. NIBURU - Brown Dwarf, The DESTROYER
55. 2012 Galactic Alignment
56. Not 2012 again! But I cant help it~
57. New evidence for 2012 TEOTWAWKI!!!
58. this may be a silly question but...
59. Just to know if this is true
60. Just Wondering...
61. Planet X/Nibiru, is it real?
62. Youv heard this a million times.
63. Nibaru or Planet X
64. Mayan calendar
65. 2012 Article?
66. can i say something please on planet x
67. Nibiru
68. The growing earth.... :P
69. Our Solar System's Eclipse of the Galactic Plane on Dec 21, 2012?
70. Something scaring the hell out of me....
71. It's Only the end of the World AGAIN!!! (Woo Woo Alert)
72. 2021 Doomsday
73. is it just me or is the milky way brighter..?
74. Polar Shift in 2012?
75. I would like to ask about Nubiru stuff...
76. Bit behind the times, my appologies...
77. the "pole shift thing"
78. All the Truth about 2012
79. Confused about 2012 (yes, another one!)
80. Another paranoia mind due to 2012
81. novelty theory
82. Possibility of Pole Shift
83. 2012 Vectors
84. Nibiru Question
85. Odd things floating on google sky
86. 2012 end of the world?
87. 2012 and Solar Storms?
88. Nibiru
89. Sun polar shift weirdness.
90. Question? [2012]
91. December 21st 2012
92. UN Agenda 21 and the coming pole reversal scare
93. Space storm alert: 90 seconds from catastrophe
94. Is there even something to this?
95. We're not the only ones fighting 2012 nonsense
    

Universe Today: No Doomsday in 2012
Bad Astronomy Blog: 2012, the year nothing will happen
Universe Today: 2012: No Planet X
Universe Today: 2012: Planet X is not Nibiru
Universe Today: 2012: No Killer Solar Flare
Universe Today: 2012: No Geomagnetic Reversal
Universe Today: 2012: No Comet
Universe Today: Another Voice Against 2012 Mania
Universe Today: 2012: Combat the Nonsense

Astronomical Society of the Pacific: Doomsday 2012, the Planet Nibiru, and Cosmophobia (PDF)

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Hello! I was reading some posts here on the forum, then I found this one, I dont really know what it means I am not afraid but here it is. As far as I know so has the technology singularity nothing to do with 2012, am I right?

You realize, of course, that proponents of the 2012 cataclysm will suddenly discover a "math error" that "proves" that the world will actually end in 2015. "Take heart; it's still not too late to prepare. Just send $19.95 (plus shipping and handling) to us and we'll tell you how."

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Yes this is what I heard two months ago, I am NOT afraid of this beacuse I know this is rubbish.

In the year 2025 all the pover plants in the world will be over heated and there will be a melt down from every power plant in the world. :/

When will the doomsday peapole stop?

My immediate response to that is even the windmills and dams?
Sometime after people stop paying attention to them.

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