favole,
You seem determined to find something bad that will happen in 2012. Whether the Universe is headed to a big crunch, will just expand forever, or whatever, none of that will happen for billions and billions of years. I don't know where you got that quote from, but it has just enough information so that it isn't completely nonsense, but I don't see any mention of timeframe, particularly not by 2012 or by 20,012.

You worry too much. Chill dude.

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I got from David Morrison's web page ''Ask an Astrobiologst''.

And it was not meant to be something that I want debunked, I posted as a answer to ''NothernBoy''.

No I dont think anything will happen on Dec 21 2012, I think it's strange that it has gone as far as it have.

I like astronomy and space/universe but there is so mutch I want to know but dont understand so that is wy I ask the things I ask, I want to know more about them.

But when peaople use real information and change it so it will fit in to 2012, its kinda hard for me to know whats real and whats not.

That's because you apparently haven't the experience with these things that we do. People pick on a day and a thing, and that doesn't go away until the day is passed--and when it passes, they just latch onto a different day. Often, the Bad Thing which is going to happen is just pushed forward to that new day. Just look at how often Planet X has been going to kill us all.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

I predict that in 2012 favole will have a nervous breakdown and/or heart attack as a result of continuously searching out nonsense stories to be freaked out about.

I don't know about favole, but I predict we will be busy with a lot of threads like this.

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Favole,

I don't mean to be a shill for Phil, but you might be well served to read his book "Death from the Skies."

What is it about? Do you think I can find it in Sweden?

The book deals with pretty much all the doomsday scenarios you've ever heard of. I don't know if it's in any book stores in Sweden, but you can order it online at websites like Amazon. They ship to pretty much every country, Sweden too.

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Is it like debunking them or is it a doomsday book?

It goes into depth on ones which might be actually possible.
Such as nearby supernovas, gamma ray bursts, asteroid impacts, etc.
And analyses how likely they might be and what the effects would be.

Ok, I might buy it.

I've done a bit research and asked David Morrison about the Big crunch and he said that if it would happen then it would be in billions and billions of years in the future.

So in conclusion, that quote is posted about the universe reset must be false?

Actually, current research indicates that the Universe is not only expanding, but the expansion is accelerating. This makes a big crunch nigh impossible.

Ok And that the universe would ''reset'' itself like a video game is just some new 2012 hoax?

Actually, it's pretty hard to say, considering that all we now know about dark energy is that it's dark, and it's energy. For all we know, it might reverse sign or dissipate at some point, and then we'd be in for a Big Crunch after all.

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But nothing that would happen in 3 years from now?

But again that the universe would reset it self like ''poff'' is not true, rigth?

Oh and one more question,

Is there ''dead'' parts of the universe? I saw this guy on tv that said that the universe is dying.

Events which happen on a cosmic scale take a lot longer than three years to happen. If we were three years from a Big Crunch, we would almost certainly no longer exist to worry about it.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Okey. thanks Gillianren

All you wonderfull peapole on baut have helped me so mutch.

Let's see, one estimate is it dying in 10^100 years (one googol).
So; yes, it's dying, in the same way as a baby is dying soon after conception.

I wish I were that thin.

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If you were, according to some folks on another thread in this forum, you'd be downright repulsive.

favole, really, try not to get all worked up over these scare tactics. The universe has been running along smoothly (more or less) for 14,000,000,000 years (more or less). Our own planet has been spinning for some 4,500,000,000 years. How likely is it that something will happen to dramatically change that in your measly little lifetime of (probably) less than 100 years?

Compared to that, your chances of winning the big lottery are a virtual lock. Hint: don't sell the farm.

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"It is quite clear that Occam's razor does not sharpen in your pyramid." (Nicolas)

"Still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." (Paul Simon)

I really don't like that notion. Babies are not "dying" soon after conception. In fact, young people are growing and developing into fully adult forms for years. Just because the "clock" is ticking toward some ineveitable end of life doesn't mean the organism is "dying." I think the notion of what dying is, is very complex, but lies somewhere in the notion that cells and systems are no longer able to keep up maintenence and proper function. Sure some of that happens at comparatively early ages, but on the whole I think a healthy 8 year old is certainly not "dying" while perhaps a middle aged man of 50 might be, as various systems and organs (including skin, brain, heart, etc.) decline in condition and performance.

That's my opinion anyway.

CJSF

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

That was the point I was making.

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Oh... well.. ok then...



CJSF

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Two years ago moved from my town
I was looking up past the city lights
But the city lights got in my way

See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

-from "See The Constellation"
by They Might Be Giants

I need to use this thread just for now cuse I cant post new threads, I think it's something with my computer, I don't know.

Well here we go.

So I know that the Mayans had a very good and accurate calendar but they never predicted something like the end of the world with it and certainly not in the year 2012. Now every one at my school I's talking about it cuse the new trailer for the upcomming move 2012 has been realeasd.

One guy said that 2012 is an error in time. And I asked him why and he answerd me that he saw a video on youtube about it. OFC youtube is the most trust full internet site when it comes down to these kinda stuffs (or not).

Well here is the video about it. Is this something that we sould care about?
I find it very hard to belive that some one that only have made a youtube account would know such a thing, it's more likele that NASA that have the money to launch rockets in space would know such a thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuzuQIr_fPU

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we arnt part of the milky way galaxy we nver have been. we will be joining the milky way galaxy near or on that date so when it all lines up no we wont be allighned with our center we will be allighning with our new galaxy the milky ways center yes somthiong is going to happen, hopefully its a beautifull day ,
hopefully you and i and others will make it to that day life is harsh even in civilized societys and all the world isnt civilized, my m,eaning being many people die everyday love the lord jesus and get thru today.

im not overly liking the verbage and personalitys on this site they all seem to want to call names etc before debunking somehting. a 14 year old writes what is nearly an essay and ppl respond by going with one word? bunk?

kk back on course i apologize and gl to all.

to the op when we merge with the milky way which also is going thru some changes atm , more coincidence, we will have some growing pains the milky spirals in one direction we spiral in another i forget which is clockwaise etc but we will be changing into there spiral that has to have consequences.

planet x or niburu i dont know but nasa has spotted an object in tha l;ast several years on the other side of the galaxy on an eliptical orbit just as niburu ios supposed to be on.

google sedna , nasa calls it that not nibiru theres an official nasa write up abpout it heading our way from the south ofus not able to be seen till feb of 2011 or so.15 million lyrs away several years ago but only 5 million now its moving fast.

please continue to read and take your'e own notes with your'e family.

man has never headed the call of disaster it has never believed and has always debunked and thrown names , so you are the onhly one that you can trust. if we all have faith in our religion or beliefs it cant hurt us, gl to all my fellow humans i love you all

...we wont be allighned with our center we will be allighning with our new galaxy the milky ways center...

Either way it's meaningless. There's no defined "center" to a galaxy. We arbitrarily define geometric centers and planes based on our notion of the aggregate constituents, but there is nothing magical or natural about them.

a 14 year old writes what is nearly an essay and ppl respond by going with one word? bunk?

The length one one's essay has little to do with its putative correctness. True statements can be one sentence while there are many book-length errors.

Naturally we will take your age into account, but unfortunately you will need to obey the rules here anyway.

google sedna , nasa calls it that not nibiru theres an official nasa write up abpout it heading our way...

Sedna is simply a trans-Neptunian object. The closest it will ever get to Earth is about seven billion miles. It's "heading our way" in the same sense that someone walking down Hollywood Boulevard is on his way to Paris.

The "killer planet" crowd likes to jump on every new discovery as some sort of vindication of its predictions. Sedna is interesting as an eccentric long-period TNO because of its distance from the Sun, but it has no bearing on Earth.

man has never headed the call of disaster it has never believed and has always debunked and thrown names

So many calls of disaster have proven to be false and merely money-making schemes by unscrupulous people. There is every evidence that the 2012 scare is just such a scheme. Contrary to your claims, no qualified scientist believes in any of that 2012 mumbo jumbo.

We debunk because so many of the claims are bunk. When that is the case, debunking is the proper response.

if we all have faith in our religion or beliefs it cant hurt us...

Please understand that religious advocacy is strictly forbidden and rather sternly frowned upon here.

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Without being specific, and trying to avoid any kind of real religious discussion, people have had faith in their beliefs of one kind or another for pretty much all of human history--and been wrong anyway. And failed to have been protected anyway. For just one example, read about the Black Death.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Back in the 1980s, when I was very young, there was a HUGE scare going on about "The Alignment of the Planets" which was supposed to trigger The End.

I remember being anxious about it, wondering if I'd live to see adulthood, etc.

Well, here we are: 2009.

Back in 1999 there was a Nostradamus scare. Something horrible was supposed to happen to Earth in 1999.

Well, here we are: 2009.

You get the idea.

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Smoking on the seashell pipe the gypsies had made
We sat and we dreamed a while...in that crystal thought time in Mexico. ~Donovan

On a similar vein I did IT Support standby for 1999/2000. They said, "we'll pay you loads 'a money to be on standby just in case!"

I said, "show me the money!" .... then booked my ski holiday that winter - for January!

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Are we alone in the Universe? Are we the only intelligent life? Who knows? But the universe is so BIG, it somehow seems such a waste of space if we are ....