Hello again, as most of you know I am 14 years and live in sweden so I dont know so mutch about the universe and I am not so good at english.

So lets get started, I have been afraid of 2012 for 6 months now and it is verry hard. Most of my fears has been debunked here on baut but now it is still one i need to find out the truth about.

I dont know the name for the theory but i will post it here.

[QOUTE]After 2012, planet Earth will pass to another dimension.

All the theories about year 2000, when life on Earth will collapse, are fortunately wrong and gone. But it seems that more and more arguments are bringing us to the conclusion that in the year 2012 something will happen with us and our planet.

Before arguing about this though, lets try to collect some information's and to ask our self: Are we ready for the year 2012?

Our planet is manifesting like a huge electrical circuit. Between Terra and Ionosphere ca. 55 kilometers, exist a kind of electro-magnetic cavity. This cavity emit vibrations (resonance), which were discovered by the german physician W.O.Schumann, between 1952 - 1957.

"Heart beat" of the Earth is accelerating

Resonance Schumann, is actually for the scientists like the heart beat of the Earth. The value of this vibration is for thousand years 7,8Hz. Starting with 1980 we could observe a slow acceleration, but from 1997 the acceleration value growl faster, so we can observe today 12Hz value of the vibration.

Because of this increase of value, 24 hours we have in one day, became normally only 16 real hours (on Earth time). This can be a good reason for time crisis we experience this days. The consequences of this phenomena can't be calculated and are out of any kind of imagination: the whole planet and all people will pass into another dimension.

Increase of vibration will progressive lower the Earth density. People will experience some changes because of this effects: migraine, muscles pain, chronically tiredness, cramps, flu symptoms and weird dreams. The human body is getting weaker, but the most spectacular change will take place on D.N.A. molecule (this will be reprogrammed). Following this thoughts, the intuition will increase very fast, together with all paranormal characteristic of human kind. The third eye will open and the two eyes everyone got start to see better (the normal light with all the spectral).

Mayan calendar has predicted the end of this civilization stage in the year 2012.

Writer and guide of sacred places on the planet, Gregg Braden, known from he's two books: "Awakening in Point Zero" and "Moving between Worlds". After that in he's youth has experienced two times a clinical dead, has dedicated he's whole life researching. Aeronautical engineer, he demonstrated that the Earth rotation has slowed down. He clamed the demonstration of Schumann theory about Earth vibrations.

Braden affirm: when Earth will stop rotating and the frequency of vibration will be 13 Hz, Earth will be on Point Zero of he's magnetic field. After two or three days of relax, the Earth will start to change rotation on the opposite side and will make the magnetic pole to change position. From this affirmations, he extract the next consequences:

1: The time look to pass faster by getting closer Point Zero. Moving from 12 Hz (this days value), to 13 Hz, the Schumann frequency will stop, this will caused the change of magnetic pole's.
Point Zero will also represent the point all the people get into the 4th dimension (first step on the 5th dimension). On this evolutionary level our whishes and thoughts will be instant (corresponding astral level). This Point Zero has been mention in the old Mayan calendarTzolkin - the one said the end of this civilization moment will end on 2012.

If the jump into the 4th dimension will take place in 2012, in 2013 we will find our self in the 5th dimension.

2: Passing to another step after Point Zero (predicted with thousandths of years ago by many civilizations), is finally getting reality.

This kind of "jumps"are taking place once in 13.000 years, when Earth is making a complete revolution (rotation) around the Central Sun of our galaxy.

3. Is very possible after passing Point Zero to have a rising sun from west and sunset to east. Lot of ancient writhing are mention this transformation in the old times.

4. The biggest part of known technologies will collapse and won't be operational. Exception will make the free energy utilization discovered by Nicola Tesla a century ago. Offered to us on different stages by extraterrestrials, this technology has being kept secret by already known World Conspiracy.

Maya Calendar has predict al this changes and the fact that we will reach the natural stage of universal harmonies.

How is this mutation to another dimension going to be?

By increasing of this Earth vibration, the whole planet with all it is on it will change. The human organism, conscience and behavior of the people will change too. It is very difficult to describe such a special phenomena (even for the scientists). Seems that this kind of "jump" took place in the Pleiade galaxy a long time ago (theoretically demonstrated).

Nobody can say exactly how is going to be, but we can risk some speculations about it:

- Before 2012, the humans that posses a higher evolutionary stage will open the "gate" for the rest.

- Religious way says: the believers will be more close by God and they will open that kind of gate (i personally don't share this theory).

Some humans will realize this transformations in they're own bodies (changed off course). The rest of them (less prepared), will loose they're bodies on this third dimension to gain another kind of bodies (more sensitive) in the fourth dimension.

Changes of the magnetic pole's



Above: Supercomputer models of Earth's magnetic field. On the left is a normal dipolar magnetic field, typical of the long years between polarity reversals. On the right is the sort of complicated magnetic field Earth has during the upheaval of a reversal.

The space satellite's placed around the Earth brought us enough information's about movement of the magnetic pole's.

Magnetic north pole of the Earth is in continue movement. At this moment is approaching the geographic north pole.

Geographic north pole is normally the magnetic south pole of the Earth. That means: magnetic north pole is coming closer by magnetic south pole. When this two pole's are close enough an inversion will take place and the magnetic pole's will change position.

The "Science et Avenir" magazine (science and future) published in june 2002 data's received from two satellite's: Oestered - launched in 1999 and Magsat - launched 20 years ago. Published data was sustained by scientists from Earth Physics Institute in Paris (France). They researched transformations the magnetic pole's and fields our planet suffered the last 20 years. Also they demonstrated that this kind of transformations take place once in 250.000 years, but this theory can't be sustained.

At the moment it's located in northern Canada, about 600 km from the nearest town: Resolute Bay, population 300, where a popular T-shirt reads "Resolute Bay isn't the end of the world, but you can see it from here." Newitt stops there for snacks and supplies--and refuge when the weather gets bad.

Right: The movement of Earth's north magnetic pole across the Canadian arctic, 1831--2001. Credit: Geological Survey of Canada.

Scientists have long known that the magnetic pole moves. James Ross located the pole for the first time in 1831 after an exhausting arctic journey during which his ship got stuck in the ice for four years. No one returned until the next century. In 1904, Roald Amundsen found the pole again and discovered that it had moved--at least 50 km since the days of Ross.

The pole kept going during the 20th century, north at an average speed of 10 km per year, lately accelerating "to 40 km per year". At this rate it will exit North America and reach Siberia in a few decades.

Earth's magnetic field is changing in other ways, too: Compass needles in Africa, for instance, are drifting about 1 degree per decade. And globally the magnetic field has weakened 10% since the 19th century. When this was mentioned by researchers at a recent meeting of the American Geophysical Union, many newspapers carried the story. A typical headline: "Is Earth's magnetic field collapsing?"


WE WILL BE PERFECT ... or gone ...
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I think it sounds silly but on some spots he has some good arguments so I don't know what to belive. Is this woowoo or something to be worried about?

NOTE: I am verry sorry to do an other 2012 thread but when my other one was locked i was calm but the a class mate of mine send the post above to the entire class. So I am verry verry sorry, I hope you wont be to mad at me but I need to ask about these things beacuse they are a problem to me.

/favole.

It's all bunk!

It's not just bunk, it's silly. I have no problem with silly in its place, but no paper using the phrase "mutation to a new dimension" should ever be taken seriously.

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"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

So there is nothing to be worried about?

Some of hes arguments does sound SILLY I know but I am only 14 and aint so good at english so it is a bitt hard to understand everthing.

But thank you for quick answers.

I will add that on hes website he had post about ufo's and 9/11 and eveything seem'd very strange ''woowoo:P''

/favole

Some days... I might actually believe this one...

Meh, that entire quote was so chock full of nonsense, one doesn't know where to begin disseminating it.

Do you mean that you think that time is going faster (16 hours aday and not 24)?

Edit: I dont think that could leed to some ''End of the world'' thing.

No, I was being humorous.
Some days, it feels like there aren't enough hours in a day.

I will go ahead and try to disseminate:
What dimension?
This is one of those common misconceptions (ala Teen Age Mutant Ninja Turtles) that dimensions are 'other realms.' Like an alternate dimension where everything is similar but colored purple or clocks tick backwards or something.

In science, this simply is not what a dimension is. Any dimension to the universe is a dimensional aspect of it. That means that we exist "in" all of them.
You cannot pass from one dimension into another one. You can only perceive which aspects of a dimension are "visible" to you.

That the quoted bit starts off so badly is a huge indicator that it's gibberish.

I'll have to do more later. reading the rest is giving me a headache, either from laughing or utter disbelief at how a person can tie totally unrelated natural processes into such extreme absurdities.

ETA to your ETA: It cannot lead to anything remotely as that quote described.

Is there already a doomsday set to follow 2012, or should I begin formulating my plan to cash in once we make it through that December?

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"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

That whole zero point, dimension, zone and frequency stuff sounds like somebody is just trying to throw extra words in to make it too hard to follow up with because all the other points have been thoroughly debunked. To me it sounds like buzzwords for "the next edition of the calender".

Of course, they also needed to pull the alien technology wildcard too.


But; about this magnetic pole shift discussion. How does it relate to a time scale of 3 years? The whole discussion is about things that are happening over thousands of years.


Why can't the theory be maintained? Especially with the excellent magnetic record in the ocean floor.

Why would that be a problem?

Or a shift in about 18000 years. Not a problem. I'm sure our technology will be able to keep up.
Besides, the change is not an "other way". It's the same change just measured differently.

When the media can't out-do each other with an outrageous headline, then I think I may be concerned.


That whole discussion seems so strange, that maybe you can point out the spots that you think have good arguments. I can't spot them among the garbage.

Of course, a 14 year old is going to have his hands on information that all the media in the entire world is able to keep under wraps.

That's all part of growing up. Over time it will get easier (assuming you learn from your misdirections).

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Wow thank you! Well now when i have read all these posts it the only have one frase thats sound like something and it's this one.

''Seems that this kind of "jump" took place in the Pleiade galaxy a long time ago (theoretically demonstrated).'' But I think it sounds strange that a whole galaxy would go in to 5 dimensions and nothing else would happen to the universe.

favole,

As a general rule, there is a good way to deal with these kinds of claims. If someone proposes that some extraordinary, truly amazing thing is going to happen (whether good or bad), then they need extraordinary, truly amazing evidence to support it.

If a friend tells you they are bringing you a cake, that's not very strange, and it seems reasonable to believe it. If they tell you they are bringing you an elephant, well, that seems highly doubtful. And saying, "no really I am" wouldn't really prove it. You should expect to see some photos of the elephant, maybe some paperwork from Customs, a receipt for the shipping cost.

And don't forget, if your friend sends you such such things in the future, it is up to them (or the website they are telling you about) to prove such an extraordinary thing, it is not up to you to disprove it.

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Or at least bring you the Elephant they promised, not a Duck they claim is an Elephant.

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Since supposedly Nostradamus predicted the "2012" cataclysm, I am hoping never to hear another word about his supposed "predictions" beginning in January of 2013. That day can't come soon enough.

Well see, that's the marvelous thing about Ol' Nosty. AFAIK he never specifically mentions the 2012 date; people have just matched his vague words up in a way that appears like he was referencing it. Therefore, when it comes and goes, it in no way damages his predictions.

Instead, interest will fade for a bit, like it always does, until something happens, and they can match one of his vague "prophecies" to it after-the-fact, and renew the "Oh my gosh! This guy's amazing!" hype.

Blah. Blah I say!

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.
"In order to increase awareness of the homeless, security have been given binoculars."

Thus beating Nostradamus in eloquence, accuracy and usefulness. And more.

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People have matched his vague quatrains to events that will happen far into the fourth millennium. Don't hold your breath.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Trust me, as you get older, time seems to speed up. Summers don't seem half as long now as they did when I was a pre-teenager.

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Let's look at it. First of all, he refers to a 'vibration' causing the 'jump', but in fact he is referring to the 'Schumann' resonances. Which is nothing more than resonances in the Earth's EMF, caused simply (and predictably) by the fact that the atmosphere is a 'closed loop' for the EMF caused by electrical discharges (ie lightning). It HAS to have resonances... His numbers are wrong by the way. If you are seriously interested in it, check out the Wiki page (Schumann_resonances) -it's a very good coverage.

Next, he associates this with a 'jump', but without any explanation whatsoever. He says it took place in the Pleiades (which is NOT a galaxy!!), but offers nothing to support that - how does he know? What sources, what verification? Nothing, yet he says "theoretically demonstrated"?????

When you read stuff like that, alarm bells should be going off...

Favole, when examining such drivel (I'm sorry, I can't think of any better word..) remember a few things, and apply a logical approach - otherwise you will end up fantasising your way through life and believing every ridiculous claim you find..

1. It's easy to post any made-up-garbage on the web.

2. It's easy to spam a few conspiracy/woo-woo boards and get people to follow it/believe it (although I'll wager many are simply playing games when they do so).

3. It's also VERY easy to research such things. Ask yourself (and find out):

- is the purveyor selling anything?

- is the purveyor a credible source (properly qualified and recognised)

- is the information verified by credible sources?

- do the conclusions logically follow?

- are there other explanations that are simpler or more likely?


Good luck. Maybe next time you post something like this, you could show us how you have done research on some of the topics, and cite links and references, why you think they might be credible, and your own conclusions and suggestions of where they might be in error.

Having an agile, analytical mind will stand you in very good stead for all aspects of your life.. (If only I had one...)

That should be your first clue not to pay any attention to anything that nonsensical site has to offer.

I actually read that Wikipedia page, as well.
I thought about posting the link, but I am so ignorant about Schumann_resonances, that I was cautious about recommending it as reading. I cannot vouch for its accuracy. I'm glad to see that someone else is verifying it.

But it was amusing.

How in 'tarnation' that guy managed to tie Schumann resonances into somehow making the Earth jump into some non existent dimension... That is a bit like claiming that a piano player in Hong Kong is going to strike a note that resonates with the Universe and creates a White Hole in New York.

Isn't this predicted in one of Nostradamus' other quatrains?

And that phrase is as empty of meaning as the rest

There is no Pleiade (or Pleiades) galaxy ! There's the beautiful Pleiades Cluster, which is effectively a "stellar nursery" around 400 light years away (ie. well within our Milky Way galaxy), easily seen with the naked eye at night.

But a cluster is not the same thing as a galaxy at all, so the article is either referring to something that doesn't exist, or confuses the two terms - either way, demonstrating no credibility whatsoever.

Hi favole. Give that classmate a link to BAUT. If he's copying that stuff and giving it to everyone, he needs to come here.

I think you're very fortunate to have discovered this board at your age. It will be a good resource for you.

Mike

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Edit: So now I have made som changes so this is NOT the same message I got.

''Some people say that it can be disposed of because it is just a theory but didn't all scientific truths begin as theories? I'm not trying to scare you, just wanted to shed some light.

Basically his theory states that the universe consists of "novelty" or "newness". Basically as human life progresses we are constantly evolving just like the universe is expanding. His theory says that on Dec 21, 2012 the level of "novelty" in the universe plateaus, and no longer increases. Basically if he is right there will be a catastrophic event on this date, it may be good, it may be bad, but it will change the universe and human life.'' ( This is about the timewave zero stuff).

Is there anything to that stuff?


If it is still not allowed for me to post it please tell me, but I have made some changes in the message so it is not the same i got.

I would point out that posting PMs is against board policy, perhaps even with permission of the other person. Definitely not allowed without it.

Otherwise, this "theory" makes no sense whatever, and you should ignore it. If anything major happens on Dec 21, 2012 it will be purely coincidental to any "theories" or "predictions" you've heard.

I suggest doing something positive and constructive and put this fear behind you. There's nothing to be concerned with.

CJSF

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I was looking up past the city lights
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See the constellation ride across the sky
No cigar, no lady on his arm
Just a guy made of dots and lines

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Okey I did not know that I was not allowed to post pm's I will delete it.

So; reaching my brain while reading this, it gets translated to.
"When the universe stops changing it will change drastically."

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I don't know if this is a translation issue, but it is assuredly wrong. This vague concept is not a theory by any standards of the scientific meaning of the term. A theory, you see, has evidence, not just wild speculation. Anyone who says "just a theory" clearly doesn't know the meaning of the word to science. A theory is about as strong as you can get in science. It means it has a lot of evidence behind it and has survived many tests intended to falsify it. Random babbling, as you have presented to us here, does not qualify as a theory. Frankly, I wouldn't call it one in the colloquial sense of the term, either. To me, even if you're not using the scientific meaning, there should be something behind what you say, some reason to say it.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

That's how I took it. And it fails to say why he "theorizes" (see Gillian's excellent post for why that's in quotes) that there's this dual evolution that will suddenly stop.

. . . not that I really care to know why he thinks that.

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Favole

Just a quick bit from a history buff.

The mayans did not predict the end of the world in 2012. It is simply the end of the Long Count Calendar. Just like your calendar ends at the end of every year but the world doesn't end. It's a popular New Age theory but it's based on many misunderstanding of the Mayan culture and beliefs. One good example of this is that Mayans had a number of "city states" and each one tended to view matters differently. At Palenque, a Mayan city in southern Mexico, it seems that the Long Count calendar would have expired a while ago, and in other interpretation from different cities, the end would be nearly a trillion years in the future. It's a very complex subject, made harder by the lack of information left from that civilization. I blame the Spaniards.

I usually tell people that worry about 2012 that we can always apply the solution that the Mayans used to ward off the end of the world.

Just grab all the doomsayers, drag them to the top of a pyramid and rip their hearts out. That should satisfy the Gods. (note to the mods, I am just kidding on that last one.)