Hey, watch it, pal! Lunar Laser Rangers is my favorite Japanimation show!

At least this guy came up with one new claim (the high-gain antenna picture, new to me at least). The fact that the claim is laughably wrong is par for the course, but he tried.

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I don't see the connection and I don't think it's appropriate to speculate at this point.

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Originally Posted by BertL
I wonder if the jimbot and jayben are connected.

I don't know but I've long suspected that HBs and Jim Beam are connected.

I count five instances, on pages 2, 4 and 5, that McGowan refers to lunar orbital altitude as being (exactly) 69 miles. That should be 69 nautical miles. Even Ralph Rene wasn't that sloppy, if I'm not mistaken.

Hey, I take that personally... I'm rather fond of Jim Beam; though of course, in moderation.

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Well, that explains the "i'll close the thread and deal with it later" happenings ;P

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Meet the OOONG TOE.

We should probably located the nearest traffic cop because it looks like we have another hit and run.

What's the malware situation on that site? I'd hate to have to log out, raise shields and go in stealth mode if I don't have to.

It DOES sounds like this guy got his hand slapped here and is all pouty. Otherwise he wouldn't know all the main characters here by name now would he?

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Both hpHosts Online and McAfee SiteAdvisor reported no problems with McGowan's site. Google's Safe Browsing diagnostic also reported no malware activity.

I can think of at least two other options. One, he's lurked. Two, he knows someone who's gotten their hand slapped and has listened to the sob story.

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"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

"Aerodynamics" and "LM" don't belong in the same sentence...and there's a perfectly good reason for that. It's frustrating that the CTs just cannot see the LM for the wonderful purpose-built machine that it is.

Strictly in terms of rhetorical style it is safe to say that big Phil was spanked in a painful way throughout this article.

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Plait also notes that originally on his site he had said “that the engines also cut off early, before the moment of touchdown, to prevent dust from getting blown around and disturbing the Astronauts’ view of the surface. This was an incorrect assertion.” The funny thing is though that he voiced that “incorrect assertion” just as forcefully and as arrogantly as he voices all the other assertions on his page – which makes sense, I guess, since everything else on his page is incorrect as well.
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Did you read the article?

Strictly in terms of rhetorical style it is safe to say that big Phil was spanked in a painful way throughout this article..

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Plait also notes that originally on his site he had said “that the engines also cut off early, before the moment of touchdown, to prevent dust from getting blown around and disturbing the Astronauts’ view of the surface. This was an incorrect assertion.” The funny thing is though that he voiced that “incorrect assertion” just as forcefully and as arrogantly as he voices all the other assertions on his page – which makes sense, I guess, since everything else on his page is incorrect as well.
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Are you Phil? because he really does provide a few laughs at your expense.

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Posts do not seem to be going through here. I had 2 posts not come though.

JayUtah and the Bad Astronomer are different people. People here have explained that the article you posted is extremely inaccurate. What do you say to that?

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Well I can't speak for Peter, but seeing that his first post was this...
.. it would be a safe bet that he did.

Do they have links in them? If so then they are being held in the moderation queue, as an anti-spam feature posts form new members that contain links get held for moderation.

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What the suits did, in essence, was provide the astronauts with their own little portable, climate-controlled, radiation-protected atmosphere.
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Anyone want to talk about that one.

Actually, jimbot, what most of us want is an answer to some of the questions.

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doesn't it seem just a little strange that experts would now suggest that if we get to work right away, we might be able to land men on the Moon by the year 2020? Isn't that like saying that with a lot of hard work and a little luck, we might be able to develop a video game as technologically advanced as Pong by the year 2025? Or that by 2030, the scientific community might produce a battery-operated calculator small enough to fit into your pocket?
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Any takers?

I am just a neutral observer waiting to be convinced by the best argument. Unfortunately for your side Phil started by getting spanked.

They're not talking about landing two men on the Moon and having them spend three days there like the longest Apollo missions. They're talking about larger crews, longer stays and maybe building a base on the Moon. So that requires the development of new technology. And they no longer have the huge budget that they had during the Apollo program.

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I am just a neutral observer...

I doubt it.

...waiting to be convinced by the best argument.

Sorry, that's not what happens here. You don't get to present someone else's claims so that you can enjoy them when they work for you and then back away from them as "someone else's work" as soon as things start going bad for you. Participation in this forum requires you personally to state and defend a case.

Unfortunately for your side Phil started by getting spanked.

Nope. Most of what's on the other side of your link is simply an argument from incredulity.

What did you personally do to confirm, test, or verify any of that author's claims before declaring victory?

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If your assertion is that Phil Plait got spanked, you're not neutral, are you?

If you would like to discuss the articles accuracy- Pick one at a time and cover it.

Yeah. Sounds totally neutral.

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So you are saying that in a couple of years we could throw together a 3 day stay on the moon without much trouble? I just do not get that impression that that is true. A private company or other country would have done it.