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Old 16-October-2009, 05:44 AM
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Default Moon hoax talk: Got the title, now I need material

I've been tapped to give a talk debunking the hoax theories at a science fiction convention next month and need a better title than, "Yes, we went to the Moon." Suggestions are welcome.
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Old 16-October-2009, 06:03 AM
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I gave a talk on the subject at a convention earlier this year. While it wasn't a clever title, I went for the rather more ambiguous "Did we really go to the moon", as I knew there were one or two people there that were doubters and I thought that might maximise the chances of them turning up. They didn't, but nearly everybody else did, possibly drawn in order to see which side of the fence I sat on. I think my first slide "Yes, dammit!" kinda tipped my hand, but everybody enjoyed it.
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Old 16-October-2009, 06:20 AM
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"Why the Moon Hoax Conspiracy doesn't work"
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Old 16-October-2009, 06:57 AM
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I can see why you asked for suggestions.

I've wracked my own small brain on this one and really cannot think of anything catchy or clever.

Ok, maybe I'm not the best Control Subject to test that on... But still...

It's tougher to think one up than one might guess it would be offhand.

Part of the problem, again, may be my own perceptions. I attempted to link the Lunar Landings with references in Popular Culture to come up with a title- and my mind went right to quotes from "Spaceballs."

Not, I think, the best popular culture to try to utilize...
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Old 16-October-2009, 07:06 AM
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Moon Landing Hoax: Was Dr. Manhattan in on it?

Highly Illogical: Debunking the Moon Hoax

Proving Apollo (Not the Guy from Battlestar Galactica, the REAL Apollo)

Would a Guy Named "Buzz" Lie to You?

The 400,000 Man Conspiracy

The Real Star Wars: How the U.S. Beat the Soviets to the Moon

To Boldly Go: Humanity's Greatest Journey

What's Wrong with this Picture? Debunking the Apollo Hoax

Don't Give in to the Dark Side: Discovering the Wonders of Apollo

And so on.

Some starting points.

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"To be, or not to be.....wait that is not the question, of course it is to be!"

Not really a good title, but it sums up the whole landing on the moon thing for me.
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Moon Landing Hoax: Was Dr. Manhattan in on it?

Highly Illogical: Debunking the Moon Hoax

Proving Apollo (Not the Guy from Battlestar Galactica, the REAL Apollo)

Would a Guy Named "Buzz" Lie to You?

The 400,000 Man Conspiracy

The Real Star Wars: How the U.S. Beat the Soviets to the Moon

To Boldly Go: Humanity's Greatest Journey

What's Wrong with this Picture? Debunking the Apollo Hoax

Don't Give in to the Dark Side: Discovering the Wonders of Apollo

And so on.

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Why couldn't you post this before I posted my self depreciating post?

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Whalers of the Moon: The TRUE Story of Apollo
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Sorry, one more...

Stone Knives and Bearskins: How to Get to the Moon with 1960's Technology
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Old 16-October-2009, 08:01 AM
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Lunar Descent: An Attack on Mankind's Greatest Feat

Lunar Dissent: A Critical Examination of Moon Landing Conspiracy Theories
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Old 16-October-2009, 08:02 AM
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I think it depends a lot on who you plan to present it. If it's a serious thing where each claim is made and weighed in turn, then something like "Moon Landing: Myth or Fact?" would be good.

If it's a more tongue in cheek look at the claims, then Zapp's "Stone Knives and Bearskins" would be good.

If it's aimed at the general public, where you'll be needed to explain some basic things, then maybe something like "Did We Go to the Moon? The Tools to Decide for Yourself" might be worth considering.
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Old 16-October-2009, 08:33 AM
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Proof It Aint Cheese: Lessons Learned From Apollo

It Came From Planet Earth

Been There, Done That: Who Got the T-Shirt?

Elegant Deficiency: A Critical Analysis of Hoax Theories

(I think Zapp has this one in the bag - nice job Zapp!)

ETA: As we know from the OP this is for presentation at a Sci-Fi Convention, so a catchy reference from a popular sci-fi show might be good, but probably not too corny or over-used.
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"The Race to the Moon - Neil and Buzz, or Wallace and Gromit?"
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Old 16-October-2009, 08:58 AM
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Moon, Dunning, Kruger.
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Old 16-October-2009, 09:24 AM
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"Come on up, I am just buzzing my arm...."


Even I have to admit, that is pathetic....
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Old 16-October-2009, 09:32 AM
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"Lunar Buzz: 'Strong Armed' or Fact"

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Old 16-October-2009, 09:40 AM
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Wagging the Aldrin... I don't think SO!
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Sorry, ToSeek, me and the wife are brain storming because as of right now, we have nothing better to do.
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"Lunar Buzz: 'Strong Armed' or Fact"

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Heehee. Word play is always good.

Buzz Kill: The Apollo Party Poopers

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"Aliens On the Moon!" might be catchy.

... of course, the aliens in question are us. Because, from a lunar perspective, we is the foreigners. (Shades of Bradbury: "There are the Martians!")
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Ok, it seems to be open season on talk titles, I came up with these:

Moonshadows : see the photos!

Parallel shadows of Apollo - (perhaps use this to show the reality, and alternatively the 'hoax theory' side)

What's wrong with man on the moon? - "Nothing! It happened" as a conclusion

Sorry, poor I know, but brain is thinking ahead to tomorrow....
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Old 16-October-2009, 12:32 PM
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Neil and Buzz, a grand day out!

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I guess "ToSeek moons live on stage" would be off limits?

"Men walked on the moon: lunatic or not?"

"Apollo: giant lie for mankind?"
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"The truth isn't always "out there". Sometimes it's right where it belongs."

"Having Boldly Gone."

"A Walk on the Lighter Side (Of Gravity)"

Something about Cthulu and being able to see stars on the from the Moon. (I'm not really sure how that stars play into the Cthulu lore.)

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I doubt I can top some of these really good titles.

Unless it's something rude/blunt: Yes You Hoax Nincompoops, Apollo Was For Real

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You could surprise them all by giving a talk on how the moon landings were faked.
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I've been tapped to give a talk debunking the hoax theories at a science fiction convention next month and need a better title than, "Yes, we went to the Moon." Suggestions are welcome.
"Moon Trek" - we didn't use a fictional Starship called Enterprise but we went

"Moon Wars", Apollo, the Cold War and how the Sowjets would have exposed us

"Sex, Lies and Videotapes" - you might get some laughs for your confession there was no Sex in space, Lies are the common MO for Moonhoaxers, and we have lots of photos and videos to show.

"Space 1969" - how there Eagles differ from ours

"2001" - Moonrocks vs Monoliths
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This probably wouldn't fit the material you plan to present, but I've always wanted to see something like "How to fake a moon mission", with a complete analysis of what it would have taken to hoax it, and the obvious conclusion being "Ya know what? It would be both easier and cheaper to just send some guys up there."

More to the point, I'd avoid any title that gives away that you believe the landings happened. HBs won't attend because they "don't want to hear any more lies from a government shill", and you'll be left preaching to the choir. Something neutral like "Apollo: Fact or Fiction" might be good.
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"Houston, the Eagle is still landed."

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