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Theory on alien visitors

Ammonia — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 09:01:41 GMT

You always hear stories about alien abductions, UFO and alien sightings.

The descriptions on how the aliens look is also mostly the same.

They are skinny, grey, big head, big eyes, no hair.

Just assume that these stories are true.

I would mostly likely think that these alien visitors are not aliens.

But humans from a very distant future who have discovered time travel and visit us from the future.

These supposed aliens dont look alien enough. More like evolved humans.

what does anyone else think?

What are Alien Abductions about?

bart5050 — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:07:43 GMT

I think they are an off world biological research facility.
Other world biology might present all kinds of commercial applications.
They probobly harvest genetic material from many worlds.

Our genetics engineering firms would do the same if they had the access, and the infrastructure required to utilize the resource.

As long as they can evade and throw shadows at us.
Then they can get what they want for the cost of access.
Give us nothing in return for our inconvenience.

If I were ever abducted I would not accept anything they said at face value.
They are motivated to lie, more profitable.

They tell people what they want to hear.
Ever notice how many abductee claiments speak of an etherial message of love?
Like how they are giving us spiritual guidence.
While they rob us blind and disrupt our lives.

There will never be disclosure.
All the deals are under the table.
Our military does not want us to realize that they have traded access to earths gene pool for toys and trinkits.
They are never going to kill the golden goose with any real tech, something that could put us on more equal negotiating terms.
And our military industrial complex is willing to make major concessions for any little bit of tek they can get.

The general population are just unwitting bargaining chips.

I have been studying this thing for a while, and logic tells me this is the way of it.

Now you can assail me with demands of proof.
I have none.
But I think the phenomena is real.
I have had no firsthand experiance, that I am aware of.

And I am convinced of our military being the best there is on this planet.
And one thing they are, is masterfull contengency planners.
Whatever it is possible to know, they know.
It is their job to know, and they are good at it.

So the whole UFO and alien abduction thing is either nothing, or everything.

The evidence convincing me is how ignored the increasing scope abduction claims are.

The scope is indicitive of an actual phenomena.
We could argue that it is an entirely human phenomena.
If that were the case then mental health services would be concerned that so many have fallen victim.

Instead the victims are further victimized by the derision and ridicule directed at them by mainstream science.

If it were a growing mental abberation there Should be more genuine concern for finding the cause and the cure.

If it is a dirty little secret, then I expect the suppresive dismisal and the reluctence scientists have in going against the mainstream.

All of the studies I have read by mainstream science, were based on the premise that it is a human phenomena, and were biased to that end.

We all look to authority figures and peer pressure for basic guidence.

Project Bluebook and similar govrnment studies have set the tone.
They have fostered the concept that only the mentally unbalanced or the uneducated see UFO's or get abducted. Or those with fantasy/reality issues.

As in any field, there will be some in that catagory. Mostly wannabees.

But some seem to be pretty solid, aircraft pilots, police officers, and military personel are notable.

Also notable how much their motivations and character will be the first thing attacked.

So that is my CT and it is entirely by deduction of the stories.

It is an all or nothing scenario for me.
And I don't think it is nothing.

Political and professional suicide to go against the grain.

Moon hoax debunk these please

Ammonia — Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:33:17 GMT

Hi Everyone.

I have seen many moon hoax theories already debunked.

I watched a docu on youtube a while back and they had some new moon hoax ideas.

One was when the moon lander is shown in a similar photo like below.

http://www.htdp.org/2001-09-22/icons/ll.jpg

The sun light was reflecting of a metallic prominence of the lander.

In the docu they stated that using the light reflected of the moon lander they could calculate at what angle the sun is shinning in the moon sky.

Well they calculated that the sunlight source was coming from angle similar to that of low stage light, a few metres of away from the lander and not from the horizon.

Another photo.

http://mitocw.vocw.edu.vn/NR/rdonlyr..._astronaut.jpg

They stated that the background and horizon around the astronaut is not evenly lit by the sun. It looks like an intense light source is just above and behind the astronaut like a stage light and not the sun as the horizon would be more even with light.

also when one of the astronauts is walking on the moon and falls over and gets up it looks like he is being pulled by cable from his upper back.

another.

The supposed moon rocks turned out be petrified wood.

Also one the astronauts who went on the moon would not swear and promise in front of a tv camera that he went and walked on the moon.

Any more information on these?

milky way , 2012 etc.

grox — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:29:24 GMT

From some studys ive been doing its come to my attn that we arnt part of the milky way galaxy and are realy a small galaxy that is being consumed by the milky way.google milky way fionding these statements with nasa confirmation.

alot of the 2012 speculations revolve around us allighning with the center of the milky way. many debunkers explain this has happened for billions of years buit as is the case with many debunkers a high perc of them dont have any info and sling the word debunked which is more dangerous than any doomsday theory which if it doesnt come about affect very few to no ppl in the world. where as ppl downplaying everything can lead to massive unwarranted deaths. i have firm beliefs in the human nature to attack the delivery and using that to debunk all things its unfortunate.a example , have u noticed in each and every argument u will hear you might be right but dude your'e delivery sucked this and that you dont know nothing, < just because someone runs screaming by screaming fire we all go what a nut. but if a guy runs by screaming fire and his hair and clothes are on fire we take notice.

search read look know and learn more , why scream foul if you dont even know what foul is.i dont care how ur delivery is but just get some knowledge out there or here for me and others thankyou.

i have been doing extensive research into this area and have come closer to my own personal religion because of it. that in itself is a good thing, no i dont run around hair on fire screaming the end , i am a rational person and have deved many hours into this.

kk please debunk these things or anyhting you want, because of my faith im not afraid if this is all real or not in any way and am comfortable with it all real or not.

our galaxy is merging with the milky way and we will allighned to its center not our center for the first time ever in over 14 billion years .

the light we will recieve from the center of the milky way is different than we ever e4xperienced and light effects dna changes .google light dna look read spend hours not moments and look for youreself.

our present galxy revolves in one direction counter or clock wise im not sure but the milky way revolves in the other direction so we will have to change that somehow to merge with thaT.

planet x niburu. nasa has spotted a planet and named it sedna < sumarians called a moon of niburu sedna> it is on an eliptical orbit as niburus legends say it is and will be able to be seen by telescopes by feb 2011 . after sighting this the southpole telescope was started being built about that time which from an eliptical orbit it will be coming from the south and can be tracked that way. nasa said it was 15 billion lyrs awauy several years ago and is only 5 billion lyrs out now so its speeding up and is oblviously getting closer. google sedna and nasa to get there own paperwork videos etc on this fact.

ill stop here and not go into the other worries of mankind .

please debunk these statements or in someway start to lend ourselves to finding out if for nothing other than some men and women and familys can make there own decisions thankyou all and godbless.forgive my grammar.

Planetary Society space-imaging-class conspiracy

01101001 — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:31:34 GMT

The often fine folks at Planetary Society, particularly Emily Lakdawalla, of Planetary Society Blog fame, are conspiring to present a series of live on-line classes -- recordings available -- on the topic of space image processing.

Yeah, it's not much in the way of conspiracies, but this seemed like a good place to announce this wonderful event because of how very frequently actual conspiracy allegations are made here based upon misinterpretations of images.

Perhaps this will be a good resource for those who enjoy refuting the errant conspiracy claims, and -- might I wish? -- perhaps some conspiracy advocates would like to learn a little about image processing so they can refute their own lame claims in private without bothering the rest of us.

Planetary Society Blog announcement: First space imaging class tomorrow, 10:30 a.m. Pacific / 18:30 UT

Quote:

The topic of the first class is: "Images Are Data." I'll go through how images actually represent scientific data, some very basic image processing stuff like histogram adjustment and what that does to the data, and what RGB color images are and how to compose them. After the class I'll have a Q and A where you can ask questions by chat and I'll answer on video.
[...]
There are still spots available to participate live, so if you'd like to be added to the list, send me an email right away. [...]

After I conduct the class, I'll post a link to where you can download and view it offline.

She's doing it as a WebEx meeting, and that will require installing some software.

Recent announcement, for background: Space Image Processing Classes are Go!

Earlier solicitation of signs of interest: Request for input: Any interest in tutorials on space imaging?

Ancient Aliens

THETULLSTER — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:26:21 GMT

I believe the E.T.s visited our ancestors and gave them techniques on how to succeed in life. How would you explain them knowing exactly how to make a map of northern Antarctica, africa, and south america, showing the ocean in between them, to extreme precision, and how did they know about the stars. Enlighten me skeptics....

IEA using overinflated oil reserve numbers -- peak oil already here

Lindon — Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:07:38 GMT

I ran across this article quoting a "senior IEA official" who claims that "key oil figures were distorted by US pressure" to hide the fact that there are significantly lower oil reserves available than has been officially reported.

If we can believe the whistleblower, peak oil has already come and gone, and the only reason there isn't panic buying and economic turmoil in the market right now is because inflated oil production numbers are being used by the IEA.

One might argue that the follow-up logic to this is that WHEN the rest of the world figures out that oil reserves are rapidly running out -- much faster than officially predicted -- then the panic buying and economic turmoil would set in. That could happen tomorrow, next week or at any time.

If that panic buying and economic turmoil were to kick in, then the implications would be severe and might dramatically affect each and every one of us.

Is this conspiracy theory bogus? Do we really have enough oil to more or less comfortably last us long enough for humanity to work out alternative energy sources. Or are we in fact on the brink of a major crash and burn here on planet earth?

Here's the link to the article from the UK Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-energy-agency

NASA FAQ: 2012: [...] Why the World Won't End?

01101001 — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 14:31:37 GMT

Darn it. NASA has to spend real money refuting this nonsense instead of doing spaceflight.

NASA Frequently Asked Questions: 2012: Beginning of the End or Why the World Won't End?

Quote:

Remember the Y2K scare? It came and went without much of a whimper because of adequate planning and analysis of the situation. Impressive movie special effects aside, Dec. 21, 2012, won't be the end of the world as we know. It will, however, be another winter solstice.

Much like Y2K, 2012 has been analyzed and the science of the end of the Earth thoroughly studied. Contrary to some of the common beliefs out there, the science behind the end of the world quickly unravels when pinned down to the 2012 timeline. Below, NASA Scientists answer several questions that we're frequently asked regarding 2012.

Question (Q): Are there any threats to the Earth in 2012? Many Internet websites say the world will end in December 2012.
Answer (A): Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012.

And so on.

Quote:

Q: What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?
Q: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?
Q: Could a phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
Q: Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?
Q: What is the polar shift theory? Is it true that the earth’s crust does a 180-degree rotation around the core in a matter of days if not hours?
Q: Is the Earth in danger of being hit by a meteor in 2012?
Q: How do NASA scientists feel about claims of pending doomsday?

See the answers there.

Oh, the last Q&A is too good too pithy not to quote:

Quote:

Q: How do NASA scientists feel about claims of pending doomsday?
A: For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and for all the fictional assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, we cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012.

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Edit:

This wasn't meant to be a topic hosting claims of unsupportable predictions for 2012, but it has been latched onto by some fans of misinformation. So, I'll take this second opportunity to enhance the topic with some valuable information up front.

Here are some articles about the many aspects of the year 2012 predictions, and a long, long list of some BAUT Forum topics that have addressed the topic:

A Possible Tool in the Fight Against HBers

Tuckerfan — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:06:31 GMT

For those of us in the US, at least. I'm probably not going to articulate this well as its slightly complicated (but not terribly so) and I'm a wee bit tired. Anyway, the local FCC Franchising Authority generally requires cable systems to carry C-SPAN on all their package levels. The reason behind this is in order to ensure a more informed electorate. So, even if you've got the package which carries only the local broadcast channels (like I have), you also get C-SPAN as part of the deal. (Admittedly, its buried on the high end of the channels.)

Of course, the question is: What good will getting NASA TV on everyone's cable system do? Well, let's think about it for a moment. I have a feeling that you're average HBer is the kind of person who tends spend their time, when they're not listening to certain radio programs that feed into their beliefs, surfing TV. (They're definitely not out there combing through NASA's website.) So, one night they're flipping through the channels, trying to find something other than infomercials to watch when they stumble on NASA TV. At least some of them are going to think that they're "clever" enough to catch "mistakes" which "prove" that the Moon landings were fake. Out of those, a few of them are going to watch what's on the channel and conclude that we did land on the Moon.

If nothing else, however, it'll help to raise awareness about what NASA does among the general public and that can only be a good thing. So, to get NASA TV carried, you can bug your cable company (which may or may not work), or, if you look on the front of your monthly cable bill, you'll find the address for your local FCC Franchising Authority. Dropping them a note, and pointing out that your local cable company isn't required to carry NASA TV (which is paid for by your tax dollars), while being required to carry C-SPAN, is a bit strange. Both entities (along with the various military cable channels) provide information for the "public good" and having access to them enable the general public to make more informed decisions about their government. (Hopefully someone more eloquent than me can post a sample letter to better articulate the points.)

It certainly can't hurt to try.

True or not?

TheOneYouSeek — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:21:10 GMT

Okey guys I dont know if it's going to be 3 threads now cuse my internet have stopped working two times now, but here we go.

So I know that the Mayans had a very good and accurate calendar but they never predicted something like the end of the world with it and certainly not in the year 2012. Now every one at my school I's talking about it cuse the new trailer for the upcomming move 2012 has been realeasd.

One guy said that 2012 is an error in time. And I asked him why and he answerd me that he saw a video on youtube about it. OFC youtube is the most trust full internet site when it comes down to these kinda stuffs (or not).

Well here is the video about it. Is this something that we sould care about?
I find it very hard to belive that some one that only have made a youtube account would know such a thing, it's more likele that NASA that have the money to launch rockets in space would know such a thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuzuQIr_fPU

Russian Navy discloses UFO files

realitydesign — Fri, 06 Nov 2009 19:47:48 GMT

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009...se-encounters/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,534960,00.html

As this indicates highspeed underwater vessels. What types of propulsion would we be talking about- any ideas?

NASA is a military organization

realitydesign — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:28:54 GMT

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buttercup (Post 1582872)

What is it with people constantly over-scrutinizing NASA and seeking to attribute nefarious underhanded motives to it?

.

1. Because NASA is essentially a military organization with info-classification being standard protocol when things 'fall' into national security. Thus secrecy is built into their mode of operation as per their charter.

2. Because several astronauts as well as other high level employees have gone public with the fact that they withhold vital information regarding ET/ETI.

Another Moon hoax thread

Miketmbt — Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:42:42 GMT

You know what would be cool..

The people who believe the moon landings are a hoax based on the videos and photos, I would like to see people recreate them on earth.. Using the methods that are assumed.. Then do a side by side comparison..

two astronauts in reflection

patrick — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 18:14:05 GMT

Hi all,

Someone sent me the following image from the nasa website itself:
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/alsj.trio.jpg

The picture implies that there are three men on the moon surface; of course there weren't.

How is this possible?

thanks
Patrick

Apollo 15 Landing Site Topography Digitally Reconstructed from Kaguya 3D Data

Arneb — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:17:38 GMT

I wouldn't normally dare open a thread with a YouTube video, but the argument made here strikes me as extremely convincing evidence for the Moon landings (as if any was needed), and I never saw this particular point being made before.

In short, Kaguya mapped the Lunar surface in 3D. With that set of data, it is possible to show local topography, at a resolution of around 10 m/pixel, from any desired POV. The Kaguya team chose a vantage point that coincided with the photos made at the Apollo 15 landing site. Needless to say, the topography matched completely. That, of course, is strong evidence for the Apollo photos having been taken from the Lunar surface, because NASA couldn't have had this kind of terrain information 4 decades before Kaguya.

Nifty.

Apart from the obvious "JAXA were in on it and did their buddies at NASA a favour by falsifying the reconstruction", has any CT site tried to argue this one away, and if so, how? Has anyone here introduced it into debates with moon HBs, and with what kind of success?

Can any of you dream up what they might say to get rid of this nice piece of evidence?

(mods, of course I do not propose a CT here, but I placed the thread in CTs since it pertains to Moon hoax theme. If you feel this might fit better in Q&A...)