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			<title>Why have I (EDG_) been banned?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 00:45:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[(EDIT: Since this is a new account, that means that I apparently can't send a PM to an admin about this, so I have to post this in public here, sorry!). 

EDG_ here, sorry about logging in with a new account but I'm wondering why I've been banned - I just tried logging in as EDG_ and it says that I've been banned for life because I'm a spammer. I have no idea why it would say that, I've written tons of actual posts here over the past couple of years and nobody else has been using my account as far as I know. So if anything has happened it's news to me!

I'm assuming some kind of mistake has been made somewhere, but what's going on? I got no email notifications or warnings about anything either, and EDG_ doesn't show up on the "banned users" list either, and I can't find any posts (apparently) made by EDG_ that are dubious or anything, so I'm really confused here. 

Any idea what's happening here? Is it a case of mistaken identity or is something else going on?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>(EDIT: Since this is a new account, that means that I apparently can't send a PM to an admin about this, so I have to post this in public here, sorry!). <br />
<br />
EDG_ here, sorry about logging in with a new account but I'm wondering why I've been banned - I just tried logging in as EDG_ and it says that I've been banned for life because I'm a spammer. I have no idea why it would say that, I've written tons of actual posts here over the past couple of years and nobody else has been using my account as far as I know. So if anything has happened it's news to me!<br />
<br />
I'm assuming some kind of mistake has been made somewhere, but what's going on? I got no email notifications or warnings about anything either, and EDG_ doesn't show up on the &quot;banned users&quot; list either, and I can't find any posts (apparently) made by EDG_ that are dubious or anything, so I'm really confused here. <br />
<br />
Any idea what's happening here? Is it a case of mistaken identity or is something else going on?</div>

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			<dc:creator>EDG1</dc:creator>
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			<title><![CDATA[Where is a "Who these forums are for" answer?]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 13:37:24 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>I have looked at freq. asked questions etc... but not found the answer.</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I have looked at freq. asked questions etc... but not found the answer.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA["Server too busy" message]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 11:04:41 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I get this message a lot around mid-morning CET
(Central European Time - that should be around 1-2 AM on the West Coast or 4-5 AM East Coast)

Is this due to maintenance routines on the BAUT servers?
(there shouldn't be much traffic at those hours, right?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I get this message a lot around mid-morning CET<br />
(Central European Time - that should be around 1-2 AM on the West Coast or 4-5 AM East Coast)<br />
<br />
Is this due to maintenance routines on the BAUT servers?<br />
(there shouldn't be much traffic at those hours, right?)</div>

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			<title>Suggestion on suspensions</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:56:27 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[This may have been brought up before, but just in case. During my brief suspension, I noticed that I couldn't view the board. I think it's normal to cut off posting privileges, but cutting off viewing doesn't really make sense. In fact, I wanted to find out why I'd been suspended, so I logged on using a different browser from the one I usually use. 

I know this is a solvable issue, because it probably just means turning off cookies or something like that, but it would seem more logical to allow suspended or banned viewers to see the board. After all, there is no membership requirement for viewing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This may have been brought up before, but just in case. During my brief suspension, I noticed that I couldn't view the board. I think it's normal to cut off posting privileges, but cutting off viewing doesn't really make sense. In fact, I wanted to find out why I'd been suspended, so I logged on using a different browser from the one I usually use. <br />
<br />
I know this is a solvable issue, because it probably just means turning off cookies or something like that, but it would seem more logical to allow suspended or banned viewers to see the board. After all, there is no membership requirement for viewing.</div>

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			<title>Post approval?</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 04:55:27 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>Why did the last post I made, as a response to my own thread, need mod approval before it gets posted?
Just curious.
Steve</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Why did the last post I made, as a response to my own thread, need mod approval before it gets posted?<br />
Just curious.<br />
Steve</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Third "Proving Grounds" category?]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:44:10 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Sparked by a current thread that was moved to the CT section from elsewhere, but I've thought about this topic before as well.

Should we maybe have a third section in 'The Proving Grounds' for topics that aren't necessarily a conspiracy, but still need to adhere to the stricter rules of that section of the forum?

I'm talking about the 'Ancient Aliens' thread, currently, but it applies to many similar UFO / Aliens claims. 

IMHO, that particular type of thread fits ATM better than CT because it's not really claiming a conspiracy, but it certainly is a claim that goes against main-stream beliefs. But ATM seems more a place for nuts-and-bolts scientific debate; I'm not sure how well an "aliens" thread would be received there. 

Should we just forgive certain topics from not defending a "conspiracy", and place such claims in CT since they go along with threads specifically about UFO/Alien conspiracy? I've seen posts in the above mentioned thread asking "Where's the conspiracy here?" and I agree with them . . . by rule, CT section means you defend a conspiracy. But I don't think it's right to dump such a topic into CT by default, then attack the thread because it doesn't exactly fit the CT section.

Just my 2 cents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Sparked by a current thread that was moved to the CT section from elsewhere, but I've thought about this topic before as well.<br />
<br />
Should we maybe have a third section in 'The Proving Grounds' for topics that aren't necessarily a conspiracy, but still need to adhere to the stricter rules of that section of the forum?<br />
<br />
I'm talking about the 'Ancient Aliens' thread, currently, but it applies to many similar UFO / Aliens claims. <br />
<br />
IMHO, that particular type of thread fits ATM better than CT because it's not really claiming a <i>conspiracy</i>, but it certainly is a claim that goes against main-stream beliefs. But ATM seems more a place for nuts-and-bolts scientific debate; I'm not sure how well an &quot;aliens&quot; thread would be received there. <br />
<br />
Should we just forgive certain topics from not defending a &quot;conspiracy&quot;, and place such claims in CT since they go along with threads specifically about UFO/Alien conspiracy? I've seen posts in the above mentioned thread asking &quot;Where's the conspiracy here?&quot; and I agree with them . . . by rule, CT section means you defend a conspiracy. But I don't think it's right to dump such a topic into CT by default, then attack the thread because it doesn't exactly fit the CT section.<br />
<br />
Just my 2 cents.</div>

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			<title>Trouble staying logged in</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:59:29 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[For months, I've been having difficulity staying logged on to the board. I'll post something, press submit, then I'll be told that I need to log on.

The only reason I haven't mentioned it until now, is that I don't lose my post when this happens...it's almost a non-issue...


Any ideas?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>For months, I've been having difficulity staying logged on to the board. I'll post something, press submit, then I'll be told that I need to log on.<br />
<br />
The only reason I haven't mentioned it until now, is that I don't lose my post when this happens...it's almost a non-issue...<br />
<br />
<br />
Any ideas?</div>

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			<dc:creator>R.A.F.</dc:creator>
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			<title>Hi from new member, Stever</title>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:13:25 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[New to the forum and just saying hi.
I'll probably be posting some very basic questions about astronomy shortly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>New to the forum and just saying hi.<br />
I'll probably be posting some very basic questions about astronomy shortly.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA["Semantics", and ATM presentations]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:33:55 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Here are a couple of comments on "semantics", as applied to some challenges to recent ATM ideas:

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A non answer can be demonstrated with math and science much more easily than with bickering and semantics.
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(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1614565-post62.html))

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most of Nereid's questions about semantics involved every-day usage rather than differences in ATM/MS jargon
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(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1615567-post95.html))

I'm curious to know what readers think of this topic; specifically, to what extent do you think it appropriate - or even wise - to spend time and effort trying to establish what key terms in an ATM idea* mean?

I've made a selection from threads in the first three pages of the ATM section**. In all cases I think the ATM ideas, as presented, can be challenged only if readers understand the meanings of the key terms ... and that such understanding is difficult without engaging in what might - to some - seem like "semantics".


---Quote---
In other words, electic currents are responsible for the topology of magnetic fields. And in plasma, both electrons and ions in ordered motion is considered electric current.
---End Quote---
(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1559797-post342.html))


---Quote---
space is simply that , space 
or room for the physical to manifest
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(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1564646-post30.html) - a good post quoting this)


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By introducing a physical aether (a type of dark matter) to quantum mechanics, I believe, the theory would be able to explain reality verbally to a much greater extent without using illogical concepts.
---End Quote---
(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1583449-post122.html))


---Quote---
we know that equation A does not fit with equation B but as our universe does exist there must be an equation C that forms the triangle
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(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1615570-post12.html))


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11 2 5 8 are the 4 constellations that were the two solstice markers and the two equinox markers when?
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(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1604256-post9.html))


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We live a sea of Nuetrinos. Particularly on Earth between two negative charges. The Higgs Field is actually made up of nuetrinos and anti-nuetrinos [...]. When the High Energy Collisions of Cosmic Rays ( Leftover from the Heavier Element Producing Stars and carrying mostly Protons) collide with particles within Earths magnetic field they split off to either the nuetrino or the anti-nuetrino, providing charge to both sides. And leading to a buildup at both of Earths poles. Pos and Neg.
---End Quote---
(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1601016-post1.html))

CAVEAT: The above are mere extracts, from posts that are longer than this (in all but one case); further, the posts are all from threads which contain earlier posts by the ATM proponent (in all but one, other, case).  It is possible, and maybe likely (in at least one case), that reading the whole post, and history of posts to that point, will give you - dear reader - a better grasp of what the key terms mean.  If so, please say so (and explain how, and why).

To close, an example of an ATM idea that does not seem to require a deeper understanding of key terms (again, an extract only):

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The simple fact is...the sun should not have risen north of the tropic of cancer in central mexico this year and at least the last two, on the 21st of june...nor ever in modern history....a simple fact.

Yet, I watched the sun rise and set out of the window on the north side of my house for much of the summer this year...and the last two. [...]

The pacific northwest broke all sorts of summer heat records, and it should have, I watched the sun set in their direction as they did so. And the north side of my house, which sits at 41deg N. Latitude, faces true north.
---End Quote---
(source (http://www.bautforum.com/1594197-post4.html))

* as presented in a thread in the ATM section; assume that there are no external sources cited, so what you read in the thread is the universal total of all material on said ATM idea.
** I make no claims as to the validity of these examples, in terms of being a random selection, or chosen using any objective criteria]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Here are a couple of comments on &quot;semantics&quot;, as applied to some challenges to recent ATM ideas:<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
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				A non answer can be demonstrated with math and science much more easily than with bickering and semantics.
			
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</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1614565-post62.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
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				most of Nereid's questions about semantics involved every-day usage rather than differences in ATM/MS jargon
			
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	</tr>
	</table>
</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1615567-post95.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
<br />
I'm curious to know what readers think of this topic; specifically, to what extent do you think it appropriate - or even wise - to spend time and effort trying to establish what key terms in an ATM idea* mean?<br />
<br />
I've made a selection from threads in the first three pages of the ATM section**. In all cases I think the ATM ideas, as presented, can be challenged only if readers understand the meanings of the key terms ... and that such understanding is difficult without engaging in what might - to some - seem like &quot;semantics&quot;.<br />
<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
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				In other words, electic currents are responsible for the topology of magnetic fields. And in plasma, both electrons and ions in ordered motion is considered electric current.
			
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</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1559797-post342.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
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				space is simply that , space <br />
or room for the physical to manifest
			
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</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1564646-post30.html" target="_blank">source</a> - a good post quoting this)<br />
<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
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				By introducing a physical aether (a type of dark matter) to quantum mechanics, I believe, the theory would be able to explain reality verbally to a much greater extent without using illogical concepts.
			
			<hr />
		</td>
	</tr>
	</table>
</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1583449-post122.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
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				we know that equation A does not fit with equation B but as our universe does exist there must be an equation C that forms the triangle
			
			<hr />
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	</table>
</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1615570-post12.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
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				11 2 5 8 are the 4 constellations that were the two solstice markers and the two equinox markers when?
			
			<hr />
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</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1604256-post9.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
<br />
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				We live a sea of Nuetrinos. Particularly on Earth between two negative charges. The Higgs Field is actually made up of nuetrinos and anti-nuetrinos [...]. When the High Energy Collisions of Cosmic Rays ( Leftover from the Heavier Element Producing Stars and carrying mostly Protons) collide with particles within Earths magnetic field they split off to either the nuetrino or the anti-nuetrino, providing charge to both sides. And leading to a buildup at both of Earths poles. Pos and Neg.
			
			<hr />
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</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1601016-post1.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
<br />
CAVEAT: The above are mere extracts, from posts that are longer than this (in all but one case); further, the posts are all from threads which contain earlier posts by the ATM proponent (in all but one, other, case).  It is possible, and maybe likely (in at least one case), that reading the whole post, and history of posts to that point, will give you - dear reader - a better grasp of what the key terms mean.  If so, please say so (and explain how, and why).<br />
<br />
To close, an example of an ATM idea that does not seem to require a deeper understanding of key terms (again, an extract only):<br />
<div style="margin:20px; margin-top:5px; ">
	<div class="smallfont" style="margin-bottom:2px">Quote:</div>
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				The simple fact is...the sun should not have risen north of the tropic of cancer in central mexico this year and at least the last two, on the 21st of june...nor ever in modern history....a simple fact.<br />
<br />
Yet, I watched the sun rise and set out of the window on the north side of my house for much of the summer this year...and the last two. [...]<br />
<br />
The pacific northwest broke all sorts of summer heat records, and it should have, I watched the sun set in their direction as they did so. And the north side of my house, which sits at 41deg N. Latitude, faces true north.
			
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</div>(<a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1594197-post4.html" target="_blank">source</a>)<br />
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* <font size="1">as presented in a thread in the ATM section; assume that there are no external sources cited, so what you read in the thread is the universal total of all material on said ATM idea.</font><br />
** <font size="1">I make no claims as to the validity of these examples, in terms of being a random selection, or chosen using any objective criteria</font></div>

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			<dc:creator>Nereid</dc:creator>
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			<title>thanks to the members of baut</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:57:52 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Three months ago I posted my own tread in the ATM. (it wasn't a theory, just a collection of incoherent thoughts that was piling up inside my head for a 10 year period.)  

In the five day's I defended my ATM thread I learned more about astrophysics then I did in the ten years before. 

I just wanted to express my thanks to all the baut members (not only those who reacted to my thread) for helping people like me on an individual level to gain better insights in the working of physics. 

You are all doing a great job :clap:!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Three months ago I posted my own tread in the ATM. (it wasn't a theory, just a collection of incoherent thoughts that was piling up inside my head for a 10 year period.)  <br />
<br />
In the five day's I defended my ATM thread I learned more about astrophysics then I did in the ten years before. <br />
<br />
I just wanted to express my thanks to all the baut members (not only those who reacted to my thread) for helping people like me on an individual level to gain better insights in the working of physics. <br />
<br />
You are all doing a great job :clap:!!!</div>

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			<dc:creator>Quadrazar</dc:creator>
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			<title>Favorite icon</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:00:43 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[BAUT forum does not have a 'favicon' [favorite icon*]. It uses the default vBulletin´s instead. I thought it would be cool to design one, so I did it, in hopes of helping improving the site a little bit. It could be made into a contest.

Bellow my two shots in 32 x 32 px size [the final size should be 16 x 16 px - I´ve already got them in *.ico* format case needed]. One of them is just an arrangement of the four letters. The other one crops the iconic 'Moon boxer' from the site header.

(*) A favorite icon is displayed on the side of the address bar in certain browsers, and it is displayed by the name of the site you bookmark.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>BAUT forum does not have a 'favicon' [favorite icon*]. It uses the default vBulletin´s instead. I thought it would be cool to design one, so I did it, in hopes of helping improving the site a little bit. It could be made into a contest.<br />
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Bellow my two shots in 32 x 32 px size [the final size should be 16 x 16 px - I´ve already got them in <b>.ico</b> format case needed]. One of them is just an arrangement of the four letters. The other one crops the iconic 'Moon boxer' from the site header.<br />
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(*) A favorite icon is displayed on the side of the address bar in certain browsers, and it is displayed by the name of the site you bookmark.</div>


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			<dc:creator>Argos</dc:creator>
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			<title>Issue Bothering Me To The Point Of Sleepwalking</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[For three days my consious has been bothering me terribly. To the point of sleep walking. As I didn't seem to get called on the issue I tried to keep quiet about it but sometime during last nights round of sonambulism I chipped my front teeth. The two upper middle incisors and all four lower incisors. Chipped the tops off them, I suspect from biting something inanimate. 

Yes, I adopted an aggressive stance towards Halcyon. 

It was in response to perceived grave insults, three in the space of two posts. After that I was indeed, out to get him.

And then after he left the forum, I went back to the offending posts so I could provide a link in a PM I was going write to Peterscreek, who questioned me on it earlier, as to why I was mad at Halcyon.

And in doing so I saw that Halcyon was NOT the offending poster! (No, I'm not saying who. It's a dead issue now.)

Unbelievable! I have no idea how such a thing could happen! A complete mis-rememberance.

I helped ruin Halcyon's BAUT experience on purpose, something I myself love, for no good reason at all. And it's eating me up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>For three days my consious has been bothering me terribly. To the point of sleep walking. As I didn't seem to get called on the issue I tried to keep quiet about it but sometime during last nights round of sonambulism I chipped my front teeth. The two upper middle incisors and all four lower incisors. Chipped the tops off them, I suspect from biting something inanimate. <br />
<br />
Yes, I adopted an aggressive stance towards Halcyon. <br />
<br />
It was in response to perceived grave insults, three in the space of two posts. After that I was indeed, out to get him.<br />
<br />
And then after he left the forum, I went back to the offending posts so I could provide a link in a PM I was going write to Peterscreek, who questioned me on it earlier, as to why I was mad at Halcyon.<br />
<br />
And in doing so I saw that Halcyon was NOT the offending poster! (No, I'm not saying who. It's a dead issue now.)<br />
<br />
Unbelievable! I have no idea how such a thing could happen! A complete mis-rememberance.<br />
<br />
I helped ruin Halcyon's BAUT experience on purpose, something I myself love, for no good reason at all. And it's eating me up.</div>

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			<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 14:58:41 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[Just a quick question. Is there a way to use the "hybrid" thread view (that gives both the outline and the individual posts) but also switch the post order to newest-first?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Just a quick question. Is there a way to use the &quot;hybrid&quot; thread view (that gives both the outline and the individual posts) but also switch the post order to newest-first?</div>

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			<title>Unlucky? (to have someone put your ATM idea through the wringer)</title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:38:48 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[In the recently closed ATM Rules Discussion thread, here in this section, I asked the following question (http://www.bautforum.com/1608697-post70.html)*:

Given the BAUT ATM section's mission, if you really, truly believed you had developed a really good ATM idea, would you consider yourself *unlucky* 'to come up against' a BAUT member - 'a proponent of the mainstream position' - who 'argues strongly, forcefully, factually, scientifically and any other -ally you care to think of, but is also ruthless and relentless'?

OK, 'ruthless' only in a restricted sense - taking no prisoners when it comes to scientific integrity.

To give credit: the semi-quoted text is from a post by BAUT member *PipeDream*; the post in which it occurs is quoted in my post (itself referenced above).

I have the impression that many proponents of ATM ideas would, indeed, consider themselves unlucky to be in such a situation ... but I do not understand why.

What do you think?

* edited someone, to account for the lack of context here]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>In the recently closed ATM Rules Discussion thread, here in this section, <a href="http://www.bautforum.com/1608697-post70.html" target="_blank">I asked the following question</a>*:<br />
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Given the BAUT ATM section's mission, if you really, truly believed you had developed a really good ATM idea, would you consider yourself <b>unlucky</b> 'to come up against' a BAUT member - 'a proponent of the mainstream position' - who 'argues strongly, forcefully, factually, scientifically and any other -ally you care to think of, but is also ruthless and relentless'?<br />
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OK, 'ruthless' only in a restricted sense - taking no prisoners when it comes to scientific integrity.<br />
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To give credit: the semi-quoted text is from a post by BAUT member <b>PipeDream</b>; the post in which it occurs is quoted in my post (itself referenced above).<br />
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I have the impression that many proponents of ATM ideas would, indeed, consider themselves unlucky to be in such a situation ... but I do not understand why.<br />
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What do you think?<br />
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* <font size="1">edited someone, to account for the lack of context here</font></div>

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			<dc:creator>Nereid</dc:creator>
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			<title>Good-bye</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:27:38 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[It seems the time has come to leave once again. Those who have different views that the mainstream here are not welcome. 
I have been singled out by BigDon for abusive and snide remarks because he feels that I am responsible for the locking of threads and that "not letting the rest of us have our own world views" and on these issues the Moderators remain silent. 

The motives behind my posts have been questioned by 01101001 and I tire of feeling the need to defend myself against something that is not true. 

I have no wish for "catty", useless exchanges with gillianren, but the moderators seem to have no issue with the inuendo and ugliness of the Halloween thread. 

I seem to be unable to find consensus among the moderators between the moderators as to how reduced funding in the current economic environment can be discussed without going over the line. 

I suggested that there was a place here for consistency. I didn't know what tools were available but it seemed that this should be a goal. There were posters and moderators alike who thought I was pressing an unreasonable agenda in an unreasonable way. After I retired from the thread, the point system was implemented that went a long way to meeting a lot of my concerns. I posted a "fence-mending" message on the thread saying that I thought this was a very positive step. This was thoroughly ignored. 
The list goes on and on, but I see no reason to fill this thread with a laundry list. I simply want to illustrate a point. 

I was warned by Paracelsus before I returned here that these forums had not improved and, in fact gotten significantly worse. Well it seems to be true. I have had enough and will be leaving now. I fully expect that this thread will either be ignored or filled with self-serving responses of the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" sort. I find that unfortunate, but there are other places to have thoughtful discussions. 

BAUT is no longer a place for an exchange of ideas, it has become a battle ground in which entrenched ideas on of all types, mainstream and ATM alike, dig in and spend their time lobbing shells at the other side with little interest in learning, compromise, or understanding. It has become a place where the issue of penalties and their enforcement, motive and boundaries, have become more important than discussion and understanding. It is a place where some, for example those concerned about public spending, are to be seen with suspicion and whose motives are to be suspect because they disagree with cherished ideas of some in this forum. 

This time I leave understanding BAUT and I will not look back. 


THY]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>It seems the time has come to leave once again. Those who have different views that the mainstream here are not welcome. <br />
<blockquote>I have been singled out by BigDon for abusive and snide remarks because he feels that I am responsible for the locking of threads and that &quot;not letting the rest of us have our own world views&quot; and on these issues the Moderators remain silent. <br />
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The motives behind my posts have been questioned by 01101001 and I tire of feeling the need to defend myself against something that is not true. <br />
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I have no wish for &quot;catty&quot;, useless exchanges with gillianren, but the moderators seem to have no issue with the inuendo and ugliness of the Halloween thread. <br />
<br />
I seem to be unable to find consensus among the moderators between the moderators as to how reduced funding in the current economic environment can be discussed without going over the line. <br />
<br />
I suggested that there was a place here for consistency. I didn't know what tools were available but it seemed that this should be a goal. There were posters and moderators alike who thought I was pressing an unreasonable agenda in an unreasonable way. After I retired from the thread, the point system was implemented that went a long way to meeting a lot of my concerns. I posted a &quot;fence-mending&quot; message on the thread saying that I thought this was a very positive step. This was thoroughly ignored. </blockquote>The list goes on and on, but I see no reason to fill this thread with a laundry list. I simply want to illustrate a point. <br />
<br />
I was warned by Paracelsus before I returned here that these forums had not improved and, in fact gotten significantly worse. Well it seems to be true. I have had enough and will be leaving now. I fully expect that this thread will either be ignored or filled with self-serving responses of the &quot;<i>don't let the door hit you on the way out</i>&quot; sort. I find that unfortunate, but there are other places to have thoughtful discussions. <br />
<br />
BAUT is no longer a place for an exchange of ideas, it has become a battle ground in which entrenched ideas on of all types, mainstream and ATM alike, dig in and spend their time lobbing shells at the other side with little interest in learning, compromise, or understanding. It has become a place where the issue of penalties and their enforcement, motive and boundaries, have become more important than discussion and understanding. It is a place where some, for example those concerned about public spending, are to be seen with suspicion and whose motives are to be suspect because they disagree with cherished ideas of some in this forum. <br />
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This time I leave understanding BAUT and I will not look back. <br />
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THY</div>

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