Principal offenders

[SolusLupus]

First of all, "SolusLupus". My name's right there, visible, at all times.

Second of all, if everyone misunderstands you, maybe it is not our side of the communication that is the problem, neh?

[Robinson]

Originally Posted by mugaliens

You, R.A.F., Solis Lupis, and Robison appear to be operating from a serious misunderstanding.

I think misunderstanding are often the root of problems.

For example, I was unaware I was even responding to anything you said in this thread. Except for the bus analogy, which I appropriated, I wasn't thinking of you when I posted.

You did start the bus thing, right?

(goes back and checks)

[Robinson]

Yes, you started the bus analogy.

But seriously. I wasn't even talking about you in any of my post.

[captain swoop]

Do I take it that this degeneration into general bickering for the last page and a half is an indication that this thread has run it's course? Should I close it or issue a general warning for people to knock it off?
I think it's clear who the Principal Offenders are here.

Be Nice.

[Robinson]

Be nice.

That actually says it all.

[Jason_Roberts]

Going waaaaay back...

Originally Posted by captain swoop

People come and go from websites all the time, new interests, work, relationships. Because someone stops posting doesn't mean they don't like a site anymore.

Here's another to add:

• A user could prefer to read posts more than make them, which may make them seem to be absent when they really aren't.

Heck, a lot of the threads I'm interested in are very, very old posts.

I'm a very slow and deliberate thinker. Sometimes I wind up connecting things or threads that seem totally irrelevant to each other, and as a result I wind up going through the archives for hours on end.

An unfortunate side-effect is that I can easily seem completely inane or unaware of present/relevant topic matter. I can see where that can be odd.

(But I do read replies, I assure you. All of them.)

[Robinson]

I love the archives!

Just don't activate old topics.

[Jason_Roberts]

Originally Posted by Robinson

I love the archives!

Just don't activate old topics.

I agree.

Well, unless there is a really good reason to bring one back to the surface or there's something important to add to it.

[Robinson]

Probably better to start a new one then. Most people won't remember or care there is a musty old topic out there. But an old thread resurfacing, that can be catastrophic.

[jlhredshift]

OK, IMHO.....

There are those, it seems, that it is so important that there point of view be accepted, that they can become agitated when someone has the audacity to not accept their point of view in which they have invested their own emotions. I have seen vindictive vituperation be vociferously expressed over an idea. How sad, they may miss a kernel of truth in the opposing opinion.

I make it a point to learn new things every day as a pattern for my own existence, and sometimes I am granted an epiphany. What could be better in life.....at least for me.

[mugaliens]

Originally Posted by Robinson

People who spell my name as "Robison". That really hurts man.

Wipe your tears, my friend - I've corrected the misspelling.

[SolusLupus]

Originally Posted by mugaliens

Wipe your tears, my friend - I've corrected the misspelling.

But not mine.

That's alright. I forgive you.

[StevoR]

Originally Posted by Nereid

Ah yes, everything in moderation ... including moderation itself ...

"This statement is false!"

Credit for that one goes to Socrates. The orignal Greek philosopher Socrates that is.

BTW. My fave Socrates quote? When he was being executed for "corrupting the youth" (ie making them think) and was about to be forced to drink hemlock, his friends gathered round to see him. One friend was particularly upset and wailed : “O Socrates how it grieves me to see you die so undeservedly!”

Socrates replied : “My dear Apollodorus, would you rather see me die deservedly?” ;-)

[Arneb]

I must take issue with your attribution of Nereid's quotations.

The first one is a praphrase of the sentence μηδέν άγαν (mēdén ágan) - nothing too much -, which was inscribed into the Temple of Apollon in Delphi, Greece.

The paradox is ascribed to Epimenides of Crete: Epimenides is a Cretan. Cretans always lie.

The third quotation, of course, is attributed to Socrates, Xenophon's Apology being the source.

[Moose]

Originally Posted by Arneb

The paradox is ascribed to Epimenides of Crete: Epimenides is a Cretan. Cretans always lie.

Off topic a bit, but it's not a paradox. Or it's a trivially flawed one as expressed.

If "Cretans always lie" is itself a lie, then it says nothing at all about the truthfulness of "Epimenides is a Cretan". That assertion is logically plausible if Cretans _sometimes_ lie. (The converse of "X always Y" isn't "X never Y".)

Alternately, if Epimenides is lying about being Cretan (also possible), the second assertion ("Cretans always lie") simply doesn't apply to him.

[Jeff Root]

"Nothing much". Them Greeks had geeky humor.

-- Jeff, tertiary defender in Minneapolis

[Arneb]

Originally Posted by Moose

Off topic a bit, but it's not a paradox. Or it's a trivially flawed one as expressed.

If "Cretans always lie" is itself a lie, then it says nothing at all about the truthfulness of "Epimenides is a Cretan". That assertion is logically plausible if Cretans _sometimes_ lie. (The converse of "X always Y" isn't "X never Y".)

Alternately, if Epimenides is lying about being Cretan (also possible), the second assertion ("Cretans always lie") simply doesn't apply to him.

True. AFAIK, the exact formulation is Epimenides, the Cretan, says, All Cretans always lie. That he is a Cretan is not part of the statement but a fact known beforehand and independent of Epimenides. So, basically, "this statement is false"...

[Arnold Layne]

But in that case, it could be that only this particular Cretan lies.

[Moose]

Or that the speaker is lying about what Epimenides says. Then all bets are off. *chuckle*

[Lianachan]

Originally Posted by Robinson

Be nice.

That actually says it all.

I remember when that was the only rule, and if memory serves, it was an unwritten one at that.

Those weren't the good old days for nothing.

[HenrikOlsen]

It was just after the merger, before the combined rules had been fleshed out.

The rule was written explicitly in the post explaining why the rules were not finalized.

[mugaliens]

Originally Posted by SolusLupus

But not mine.

That's alright. I forgive you.

Wait! Lemme practice: SolusLupus

Ok - thank you for your forgiveness.

- Steve

[mugaliens]

Originally Posted by Arneb

The paradox is ascribed to Epimenides of Crete: Epimenides is a Cretan. Cretans always lie.

If Epimendides is a Cretan, and he states, "Cretans always lie," then that statement itself is a lie, and the only logical conclusion is that Cretans sometimes lie.

[Arneb]

mugs, I already made a necessary modification to the quote three posts later.

[Neverfly]

Originally Posted by Arneb

mugs, I already made a necessary modification to the quote three posts later.

The only logical conclusion is that the modifications are only sometimes made.

[mugaliens]

Originally Posted by Arneb

mugs, I already made a necessary modification to the quote three posts later.

Great minds think alike, eh!

Sorry I missed it, Arneb. It's ok to edit the actual post with an ETA (edit to add) to preserve the original content if it's been out there for any length of time.

[Arneb]

No no, not that time - folks caught me with the same inconsistency you did, so I had to rethink - ergo, new post...

[SolusLupus]

Originally Posted by mugaliens

Wait! Lemme practice: SolusLupus

Ok - thank you for your forgiveness.

- Steve

Little late now. Sorry, that train's gone past.

[Swift]

This thread obviously has outlasted its usefulness and is now just for jokes and bad behavior. Closed.