BAUT moderation now using infraction system - discuss

[HenrikOlsen]

Originally Posted by StevoR

As for this new system - yeah. It make sense although it'd be good if we got an email about too.

Isn't a PM enough?

[Neverfly]

Originally Posted by TheHalcyonYear

Oh yeah and since the mods were concerned about whether people were kidding about possible bannings; so, I was only kidding Neverfly, we won't really miss you.

Kiddin' indeed. There will be dancing in the streets.

[Tensor]

Originally Posted by Neverfly

Kiddin' indeed. There will be dancing in the streets.

Unfortunately, I can't dance.

[TheHalcyonYear]

Originally Posted by Tensor

Unfortunately, I can't dance.

Do you need someone to teach you?

[Neverfly]

Originally Posted by TheHalcyonYear

Do you need someone to teach you?

Why? You got a .38 special?

[TheHalcyonYear]

Originally Posted by Neverfly

Why? You got a .38 special?

hmmmm, tensor? Is that really what it would take to teach you how to dance? Or is that what it would take you to learn to dance from me?

[tdvance]

Oh, I thought Neverfly thought for a moment he is Marty McFly, with Mad Dog Tanner saying "Dance, McFly, Dance!"

[Cougar]

Originally Posted by Frog march

I like the idea of an infraction system, but ultimately I think the ban/suspension button should be pressed manually.

Yes, and Billy Budd* should be required reading.

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[Cougar]

Originally Posted by Cougar

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Oh, sorry, the free version is apparently the 1924 edit, which is much inferior to the 1965 version....

[mugaliens]

Originally Posted by tdvance

Oh, I thought Neverfly thought for a moment he is Marty McFly, with Mad Dog Tanner saying "Dance, McFly, Dance!"

Precisely. Where's an overflowing spittoon when you need one?

[geonuc]

I'm generally in favor of any system that makes the moderators job easier, so uniform sentencing guidelines makes sense to me.

[Neverfly]

Originally Posted by geonuc

I'm generally in favor of any system that makes the moderators job easier, so uniform sentencing guidelines makes sense to me.

I'm generally opposed to any system that makes the moderators job easier, so uniform sentencing guidelines makes me cringe.

[mahesh]

Originally Posted by NickW

Sure, send one to me. Hopefully it will be the only time I see it.

Hey....I am game too! send me one too, please...

Shame, it's not pizza!

[Swift]

Originally Posted by Neverfly

I'm generally opposed to any system that makes the moderators job easier, so uniform sentencing guidelines makes me cringe.

I have no doubt that our ever resourceful membership will be able to compensate for this in other ways.

[davidlpf]

Originally Posted by Swift

I have no doubt that our ever resourceful membership will be able to compensate for this in other ways.

That sounds like a challenge.

[Neverfly]

Originally Posted by davidlpf

That sounds like a challenge.

Even worse, he directed that comment in my direction...

I get the feeling that our moderator likes to flirt with disaster.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by Neverfly

I get the feeling that our moderator likes to flirt with disaster.

Absolutely untrue, at least for this moderator. ATM is too scary for me. I'm just experienced enough to know what will happen. Doesn't mean I'm wishing for it.

[Kaptain K]

One of the nice things about not being a mod is not having to go to ATM or CT!

[TheHalcyonYear]

Originally Posted by Kaptain K

One of the nice things about not being a mod is not having to go to ATM or CT!

Just out of curiosity, were you a moderator at one point?

[geonuc]

Originally Posted by Neverfly

I'm generally opposed to any system that makes the moderators job easier, so uniform sentencing guidelines makes me cringe.

So I guess our opinions cancel and we can both bow out of the discussion?

[Kaptain K]

Originally Posted by TheHalcyonYear

Just out of curiosity, were you a moderator at one point?

No.

[Trakar]

Originally Posted by Swift

I think (hope?) that people are joking. But I honestly don't see this change as making it more (or less) likely that people are suspended or banned.

One of the many complaints that we have received about moderation is that it is inconsistent, because of the use of human moderators who make judgment calls. This system doesn't really change that, since a moderator still needs to make a decision on if there is an infraction and how severe it is. But on the flip side, once that decision is made, the punishment (number of points) will be consistent.

Exactly, this would seem to be a very good method of eliminating "knee-jerk" suspensions from moderators. Not that such have been common in the past, but neither are they, and other inconsistencies without example. Rather than immediate suspension with little or no appeal and no prior, specific individual warning, individuals can and should be able to see infraction points and notices accumulating giving them and the moderators a chance to reconsider and think about their involvement. Looks like a move for the better to me, though I'm sure there are probably bugs to be worked out and tweaks to make.

[abcdefg]

Originally Posted by Swift

Absolutely untrue, at least for this moderator. ATM is too scary for me. I'm just experienced enough to know what will happen. Doesn't mean I'm wishing for it.

How will this new point system affect ATM.

It is wild there and should be. If an OP gets two hits, they will stop ATMing. Just two more and they are gone for life.

If the mainstream gets hits, they will be afraid to ask questions.

With Q&A this makes sense, but it seems too strict for ATM.

Is it possible to consider less rigid standards for ATM?

[HenrikOlsen]

Originally Posted by abcdefg

If an OP gets two hits, they will stop ATMing. Just two more and they are gone for life.

They can wait until their infraction expires, or, radical thought though it is, not break the rules while discussing their idea.

[abcdefg]

Originally Posted by HenrikOlsen

They can wait until their infraction expires, or, radical thought though it is, not break the rules while discussing their idea.

What does break the rules mean?

I was suspended one time because it was asserted I did not answer questions in an understandable format.

I understood it.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by abcdefg

How will this new point system affect ATM.

It is wild there and should be. If an OP gets two hits, they will stop ATMing. Just two more and they are gone for life.

If the mainstream gets hits, they will be afraid to ask questions.

With Q&A this makes sense, but it seems too strict for ATM.

Is it possible to consider less rigid standards for ATM?

I don't see how you calculate "two hits, they will stop ATMing". It depends on what the violations are and how severe they are.

It is an absolutely appropriate system for ATM. Heck, it was put in place for ATM. We probably do as much moderation in ATM as we do in the rest of BAUT combined.

I have no interest in considering less rigid standards for ATM.

[abcdefg]

Originally Posted by Swift

I don't see how you calculate "two hits, they will stop ATMing". It depends on what the violations are and how severe they are.

It is an absolutely appropriate system for ATM. Heck, it was put in place for ATM. We probably do as much moderation in ATM as we do in the rest of BAUT combined.

I have no interest in considering less rigid standards for ATM.

Here is why.
The basic numbers are as follows: 1 point for the first offense, 2 for the second, 7 for the third, and 12 for the fourth. Thresholds are 3 for a 3-day suspension, 5 for a 7-day suspension, 8 for a 14-day suspension, and 12 for a perma-ban.

I read this as 4 hits and you are gone. Two hits takes 3 months to remove them.

I would walk away from an ATM at 2 hits.

Also I read, warnings are now gone and replaced with points.

That means 2 warnings to me and you need to leave 3 months or risk a complete ban.

Perhaps you could explain to me what bothers you mods over there.
I have no interest in breaking your rules.

[Gillianren]

Originally Posted by abcdefg

What does break the rules mean?

I was suspended one time because it was asserted I did not answer questions in an understandable format.

I understood it.

I'm sure you did, but the intent is "understandable to the person reading it," not "understandable to the person writing it." I could write all of my posts in a secret code which only I understand, but it wouldn't count were I trying to answer questions in a timely fashion.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by abcdefg

Also I read, warnings are now gone and replaced with points.

That is not correct. There can be warnings without points.

Perhaps you could explain to me what bothers you mods over there.
I have no interest in breaking your rules.

Let's not derail this thread with that discussion. There is already an ATM Rules thread in the Feedback forum. If that one doesn't work for your questions, please start a new one.

[Kaptain K]

Although I stay out of ATM, it is not because I am afraid of banning. I used to participate there and at CT regularly, but I got tired of doing the research to refute every PBI (partly baked idea). I never found it difficult to stay within the rules (and out of trouble).