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Due to a flood of PM spam, I've modified the forum configuration so that members who have posted fewer than 10 times can't send private messages. If anyone sees any problems with their PMs, let me know.

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Old 19-March-2009, 05:53 PM
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If it worked the way it should have, no one with more than 10 posts should be affected other than they probably can't send a PM to someone with fewer than 10 posts.

If two regular members would like to verify this to be sure, that would be good. I've already verified that I can send a PM to myself and that a moderator can send me a PM.
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Old 19-March-2009, 06:36 PM
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I sent a PM to Paul Beardsley, who will presumably let me know one way or another if he got it. We'll see.
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ToSeek, I've noticed that I'm getting timed out this morning after just a few minutes of inactivity. Also, the Currently Active Members list seems to be acting strangely -- members aren't listed as being on-line yet the green light is on next to their username in posts. Are these related to the changes you've made today? Just curious.
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Old 19-March-2009, 07:17 PM
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There's been several of times where the currently logged in people list has been reset and slowly populated again.

It may be related to a massive spammer attack we've been under lately.
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ToSeek, I've noticed that I'm getting timed out this morning after just a few minutes of inactivity. Also, the Currently Active Members list seems to be acting strangely -- members aren't listed as being on-line yet the green light is on next to their username in posts. Are these related to the changes you've made today? Just curious.
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Spammers....yuck. Someone down in the Untrue Fact thread made a post about spammers being designated war criminals or somesuch. I'm thinking that maybe that's a good idea!

As for the untimely timeouts, if it wasn't related to the spamming/antispamming activity, perhaps I went through a time warp or two. I seem to be doing that a lot since my second kid was born. Sigh.

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[QUOTE=ABR.;1456976]SNIPPET:As for the untimely timeouts, if it wasn't related to the spamming/antispamming activity, perhaps I went through a time warp or two. I seem to be doing that a lot since my second kid was born. Sigh.
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If it worked the way it should have, no one with more than 10 posts should be affected other than they probably can't send a PM to someone with fewer than 10 posts.
To check this out, just create another account and send a PM to it.

And then, of course, ban yourself for sock puppetry.
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ToSeek - Good for you!

I've never received any spam via PM, however, so I'm curious as to the nature of the issue.

If you required moderator confirmation of new members before they had any posting/PM privalages, would that help?
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ToSeek - Good for you!

I've never received any spam via PM, however, so I'm curious as to the nature of the issue.

If you required moderator confirmation of new members before they had any posting/PM privalages, would that help?
I'm not sure how we would tell good posters from bad posters at that point.

The issue is that people were registering and then sending private messages advertising a particular website - in the hour before I shut that door, I got five such messages.
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I'm not sure how we would tell good posters from bad posters at that point.
Well, when 95% of the spammers pick usernames like QR33726, spotting them is

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That's indeed a problem, but I'm sure your PM restrictions help. Have you considered also requiring moderator approval for the first couple of posts? Probably take less time than chasing spam...
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Is only 'twas so.

Of the suspected spammers I checked the last couple of days based on user name, about 10% were longstanding regular members.

If you can write an algorithm that, without any false positives, can identify the spammers in this list: ngc3314, stapo3, tdvance, jmarcusm, Elukka, mugaliens, trinitree88, m74z00219, BenissaMo, cjameshuff, SMacB, JESMKS, DiMuntari, ABR. and ajv, then I'll be interested.
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One obvious rule of thumb: if the member name is all numbers, the messages have got to be spam.
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Good point. *Heads off again to the ban panel*
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... people were registering and then sending private messages advertising a particular website ...
Just for your peace of mind, it's not just on BAUT. This, or something similar has been happening on many forums over the past couple of weeks.
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Is only 'twas so.

Of the suspected spammers I checked the last couple of days based on user name, about 10% were longstanding regular members.

If you can write an algorithm that, without any false positives, can identify the spammers in this list: ngc3314, stapo3, tdvance, jmarcusm, Elukka, mugaliens, trinitree88, m74z00219, BenissaMo, cjameshuff, SMacB, JESMKS, DiMuntari, ABR. and ajv, then I'll be interested.
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Just a guess....
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And that's the problem with that type of detection.
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I understand the reasoning behind the "less than 10 Posts"/no PM rule. But I will offer up the thought that it makes it tough for us newbies to get a hold of a Moderator for some reason that we don't necessarily wish to become a public discussion.

To emphasize: Not complaining, but wanted to ask a question of a moderator, and it is not possible to do until I have 10 posts. This is not the end of the world, and I will cope.

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Yeah, we mods are finding it equally inconvenient when we have to get a hold of a new user via PM and can't. (Same reason.)

Just goes to show why you should all listen to Bob Barker and have your spammers spayed or neutered.
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I understand the reasoning behind the "less than 10 Posts"/no PM rule. But I will offer up the thought that it makes it tough for us newbies to get a hold of a Moderator for some reason that we don't necessarily wish to become a public discussion.

To emphasize: Not complaining, but wanted to ask a question of a moderator, and it is not possible to do until I have 10 posts. This is not the end of the world, and I will cope.

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I understand the issue, but I don't see any way around it that doesn't put a hole in the dike. Considering what was happening at the time I put the fix in, I really don't want to do that.
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Just curious, since a user has to supply a valid e-mail when registering, can the mods e-mail someone, even if they have that option turned off?
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