it is generally observed that: the connected people with science are more intelligent than any one on the earth, their intelligent quotiant is also great one, the science has developed the technology, more physical luxury on the earth, verious items came, the computer, supercomputer, the satellite and so on, their contribution in making earth more beautiful, so are agree with me,that while living everyday science takes part a important role? what are the new challenges with the science yet to face? what is coming new on the board from the science brains? after nanotech'.

More intelligent? Not necessarily, but we are definitely sexier.

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"A witty saying proves nothing." Voltaire

I find that people are more accepting of intelligence in science, as intelligence in science has more obvious results. frankly, I myself tend to be more impressed by intelligence in science, even though--or possibly because--I don't have much of it myself.

my best friend and I are both very intelligent in literature. I am intelligent in history and music as well. however, since there is no direct benefit from any of these until such point as I'm either published or get a CD out, mostly people just think I'm an obnoxious know-it-all. after all, what are the two synonym professions for "really, really smart"? brain surgeon and rocket scientist. if you know that the question mark goes after the quotation marks in the last sentence, that's considered useless information instead.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

As a general rule, maybe. In specific cases? Well, I hope I make up for that by being a good lead and impressing the girls in dance classes that way.

Gillian, does puncuation only go inside quotes in direct quotations and speech, then? I remember learning that it worked that way in High School, but your point makes more sense for your case. (I think such knowledge is important. Acting intelligent is as important as being intelligent, IMO.)

Edit: That sounds snooty. That's not how I meant it. Maybe I should have said that behaving intelligently makes you appear more intelligent than being a "know-it-all," published or not. Hopefully that's better, but I'm quitting while I'm still somewhat ahead.

I Am not more intelegent than any other human... but i was provided with very good brain washing... good influences, and suggestion by people who themselves ask questions.... and so you have it..... i , due to these influences.. Wanted myself.. to be smarter.. and to do so we study and learn, and find ways to retain it.. and then apply it as the basis for our logical reasoning.....

as i suspect is the case for most people who might be seen as smart...

they simply like learning, as they learned to think of it as fun, and worthwhile..

while other, the masses, generally.. are not given that brain washing, and it doesnt stick.. and the majority take on attitudes which represent those, of those who influenced them, and showed them what life was all about...

i.e.. my father read science magazines.. and when he was done, he gave them to me... and i cherished them.. not for sentamental value.. as i do not own them now.. but for the sheer abundance of wealth in the form of ideas which such provided as stimulus for an inquisitive childs brain.

if he had given me pornos... i probubly would be less interested in science.

Influence is everything... and it is what separates the classes, and allows for the status quo of a governed society.

-MT

is the brain structure (genes and nurons)of science people and art people different?
or just their brains choose the interested things with them by applying in choosing their way towards science in general, or they gains confident when they got the sufficient percentage of marks during their school carrier, what do you think, or they themselves fills superior in that subjects, or the perfect defenition can not be describe.

well.. if your asking me..
i would say yes.. as has been shown in studies of the brain...
if slices of the brain are taken from a dead salesman of 40 years, and compared with a brain slice of a general auto mechinic.. of the same 40 year work history..

it has been found that the number of nueron branching arm connections is higher in the man or individual who uses more thinking on a daily basis..

i.e the salesman, doesnt spend alot of time, doing alegbra and fixing and designing and engineering the cars.. he only thinks along the lines of selling it..
and only learns what is required for the job at hand.. selling that car.

and so.. after 40 years, the number of daily thoughts on different subjects in different ways, is less for the salesman, as it is for the mechanic, who must everyday, think clearly about what he is doing, and why.. and methodically plan and execute each step towards fixing and completing the job.. thats why they make good money, as its complex, yet simple, and mostly its hard, physically.

They supposively took a slice of Einstiens brain, and the density of nueron connections was very high... many times higher than the mechanic.

That is why i make a habit of always taking good notes, and then re-reading them, at times. thus by doing so, i refresh all the nuerons i havent used in along time, and thus keep the nueral net thick and widely branched.

i.e.. If you stop thinking about Entropy for example.. the ideas and thoughts which relate to entropy, and take the form of nueron branches and cells, will..... will ...

will.. it is well evidensed.. will... decay, get small.. and eventually die and disapear.
and is natural... since you never use those thoughts anymore..
and your brain and body assumes you don't need them... and they decay.

if you spend your days looking at calculous.. in a short while, the nuerons that relate to it, and its study and use, will grow strong and widely branched.

and if you allow yourself, to form nuerons that suggest Smoking cigarettes is cool, and ideas that you like tobacco and want it.. then you have been hooked.

Brainwashed literally.. and the nicotine keeps you focused on those thought patterns, and so you smoke everyday.. all day..
as when the question of tobacco come up.. you say YES..

I finnally realised this, and i started to say NO.. recognising that i had developed bad habit of thought.. such as the belief that i like tobacco.

I changed my view.. and i told myself i hate tobacco, and i don't like cigarettes...
and i quit cold turkey on that day.. 2 1/2 years gone now. (after 17 years, a pack a day)
and i did over 9 months allow myself to break free by practising to force myself to develope strong nueral pathways which relate to saying NO.

i.e when i think of tobacco.. i say no, i hate it.. and i redirect my thoughts away from the yes network of cells.. and into new networks that hate tobacco, and says no at all times.. and cannot fail.

and so the nureons that always made me say YES, are gone now..

the same thing can be done to overcome most common mental disorders.. to include lazyness and depression.. as i know.


its called training... SELF BRAINWASHING
SELF TRAINING IS VERY HARD.. self motivation is hard, and its the greatest thing we can teach our children... that we don't have to wait for others to teach us, and lead us.. but that we can lead ourselves.. and control our destiny by the power of our own free will to drive us forward like a machine obeying our mental /spiritual commands..
i.e.. we can over years design our behavior.. but its not easy, and the first thing that is needed is a desire to do so.

and unfortunately.. most people in our free society have little to no training, other than they recieve from the Television... and thats mostly all sex drugs and violence and stupid humor, and filled with greed, delusions of style and the wanting for more.
-MT

well, with question marks and exclamation points, anyway; not commas or periods. (in America. in England, it's for periods, too.) it is, perhaps, needlessly complex, but it does actually make sense to me. then again, I can't build a rocket.

well, I know people get a little tetchy when I correct their spelling/grammar. now, I'm not doing it to show off; I'm doing it to improve their communication. I passionately believe that's what language is for, and that grammar and spelling are the tools we use to finetune our communication. however, not everyone sees it that way, and not everyone sees improving communication as being positive, somehow.

as to the wiring of my brain--I don't know if it's biologically different from Jay's or Phil's or Eta C's. all I know is that I don't have the knack for math and science, except where basic arithmetic and the collecting of random scientific fact comes in. (I'm quite good at the collecting of random facts in most disciplines.)

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

A persons lack of skill in any area is due to there lack of very specific detailed knowledge.. which having been learned can be worked with and so developed into a vast network of brain cells to give one the skills of being able to do "anything" within reason, with confidense...
Thus i do not believe any of us lack any ability.. but what we lack is access to perfected reading material, or the company of people who actually know and understand the subject in question, and care enough to show it to you clearly.
and most importanty we lack the "overwhelming" desire to do it ourself..

I do not have many of the skills i desire to have, both Mental and Physical..

But we must all be always confidant that we have the potential to learn it, if we so desire... for by following the logic of proper learning, we know we can learn anything, and become proficient..

But if we hate doing math, it becomes impossible to learn to do it.

thus the self brainwashing teachnic of redirecting thoughts and developing good habit of though over time.. allowing us to transform our self in anyway over time, by applying daily conscious pressure in that direction. ( Its a hindu thing.)
-MT

Oh ! mosheh very intelligent reply, you have given here, very nice. there is a great "plain" nature of your self as it is reflecting in the writing here, wow, i am so much embrassing with the touch of humour and knowledge here. there is one sanskrit quotation " pinde pinde matir-bhinna" it means for every individual there is a different sort of brain functionalities as far as thoughts expressions are concern, though the brain cells and glands are unique one, but it differs from person to person that how he think about anything and what he fills through his own paved way, he analysed the things, and experience is a great teacher of brain, brain always adhere with the past experience, are you agree with me mosheh or not.

no, I think you misunderstand. I have studied both math and physics. however, the specifics of what I learned did not stay in my brain. I've taken algebra of one sort or another more times than I care to admit, but each time, I've had to relearn some basic concepts. my brain does not retain them. however, I'm better at simple arithmetic than most people I know, including a lot of science people. faster, anyway.

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Gillian

"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Suntrack:
yes, generally.. most of our memories are in the form of images, which are in their way related to many things..
it is pictures and meanings and what they are connected to it...
and by connected.. i mean habitually.. habitually connected..

i.e. when i think of a friend of mine.. i think bastard.. as i have trained my self to do so..
when i think of fish oil, i think of fried chicken,, instantly, as fish oil has made me want fried chicken everyday... and it is a recent common daily memory.

i.e.. when we flash back to a memory.. we think not only of it, but our mind automatically flashes threw all the other images and ideas which are directly connected to it..

as when i say.. "apple".. you instantly see an apple, and quickly your mind flashes threw what you know of apples.. taste good, i like, or dont like..
maybe you were tramatised by being hit by apples as a kid...

and the word apple then automatically relates to these other memories, which you long ago assiciated with apples..

this is the understanding that allows us to control our own minds..

for we need only recognise the way our brain is working, and what it is, "Habitually" doing... that then... we are able to control it..

ie.. we must apply conscious effort.. we must say, for example if we had a fear of apples...
we must look at the apple and feel and recognise our brain going from the basic thought of the apple.. ie.. using the cells that know what an apple is.

and consciously forcing the mind to see the apple, and instead.. instead, this is important. we must have an instead.. instead.. think of apple pies.. yummm.
i.e.. force the brain to.. habitually... when we see an apple to ...

instead of going to the memorie of being beaten by them.. instead.. we focus on something else.. and we do this every day... several times a day, if not all day, in our mind...
think of the apple.. and when you start to think of that bad thought.. you stop yourself and you think of something else which is good and beneficial.

in this way... the cells which relate to that bad memorys.. die off.. and get weak..
and the new cells for apple pie and yummm... grow strong..

its a mental exercise... and it takes years to actually over come problems.. or bad habits... and or bad manners, and in general... bad ways of being.

Depression is slightly different.


Gillianren:

I have that same problem...

but i found a way to memorize anything... and i would recommend it to you.

its note taking.. but.. and this is important..
you take good, but simple and direct worthwhile notes..
simple.. but clear.. i.e.. all the good fundamental stuff you need to remember, and none of the exess filler logic and stuff..

in this way you might study any subject.. and when you read the book, you only read it once.. but you pull from it.. all that was worth remembering, and you make it into your notes.. and while making them.. you re-read them..
every week, atleast.. or every couple days... you re-read them..
and when you have finished the subject and you have complete notes,, you go over it every week, and you practice using the skills....
in this way... you never forget.. and you develope very good skills..

but if you put the notes away, and don't ever use it.. it will all decay...
but thats whats great about your notes..

in just 1/2 hour or day of re-freshing .. you can re-energize all those cells.. even years later, and get it all back up to speed quickly...

i learned this after several years of self teaching... where i noticed that i wasnt retaining what i was obsorbing.... and it was very upsetting..

-MT

specifically, i believe you are suggesting that indeed each of us, due to our separate an different life experiences, all may, thus have slightly different perspectives on things... Yes.
yet, obviously we have as much in common, by design, as we do, by accident in the sense of experience...
i.e.. when we pinch any baby... 99 % will feel pain and cry.
but 1% maynot.. and the reasons maybe be many...
this is not an accurate statement but it is meant to explain my meaning.
that we each have our differenses in hormones and various physical traits, from tolarances to sugar and anxiety, and tendencies which are many.
these things are biological, and we get what we are born with..

everything else is variable.. I.e.. our programming..

i.e.. babies need to be held... and if you don't and always put the baby in a corner, and alone... it will effect its mind.

We are in many ways a product of our enviorment... and there is only one thing that empowers any of us to be able to overcome and leave its boundries...
we must recognise how we are chained... Its Habitually.
-MT

One thing I've noticed about correcting other peoples spelling/grammar, and I used to do it all the time, is that people hate being told their wrong. It's the hierarchy system - if they think they're above you, and it's the natural position to place yourself, they'll get defensive when you correct their spelling because they see you expressing yourself as superior to them. Nine times out of ten they'll not make the same mistake twice so the next time someone comes along they won't be stepped on.

Now I don't intend to say you're stepping on people who you see as less superior, I'm just saying that's how it is perceived by the person you're doing it to. I presume by you saying you haven't been published that you're a fellow writer and I myself am in a constant situation of being more knowledgeable than everyone in my college course (by the way anyone looking to use the NHS in 5 years time, god help you) as I'm using this course as a way to get into university to study psychology (hopefully to PhD) and a lot of the work is on psychology. I end up answering almost every question asked on the subject, which has formed a notable segregation between me and the group simply because I know things on psychology.

This wasn't a problem before I started answering all the questions and became the "know-it-all" type, which I stopped caring about the day I found out I could get into a degree course for psychology. The reason I'm saying this is to illustrate how quickly opinions can change, simply by moving onto my subject I answered more questions causing peoples opinions of me to shift from "Intelligent" to "Know-it-all", but when I get to university we'll all be "Intelligent" but there'll be no one that "Knows-it-ALL" there and the Uni I'm going to if anyone claims to the lecturers will shoot them down before they even finish their sentence.

Just wait till you move into a group, and you will, of people who appreciate grammar/punctuation and the use of communication as much as you do. Personally I appreciate the use of grammar/punctuation but I'm god awful at it, mostly because of the area I grew up in has no ability to speak coherent english and has no doubt incapacitated my ability to ever learn to use them correctly.

Good luck with the publishing, short-story magazines have been many writers leg-up into the game. I'm still looking for my leg-up.

thanks for the replies, gillianren,mosheh and electromagnetpulse,
gillanren is saying he is best in maths and physics: in my opinion who is brilliant in maths is normally brilliant in physics, but sometime who is brilliant in physics looks a mediocre in maths,i have seen that cases. gillianren's logistic field is quite develop as far as their impressions in writing style are concern.

I have seen many people of art stream and science streams, for many events particularly in the quiz contest the science people gives the instant replies but the art stream peoples scratch their heads for the answer and takes too much time. this is the thinking process in which science mans founds the answers very rapidly and mostly correct answers as compare to the art streams.


sunil

It isn't a case of the art stream peoples not knowing the answer, it's a case of procrastinating. Just today I've had to disable my TV so I can no longer use it to procrastinate, hence my lurking around forums today. Sadly I can’t disconnect my internet or I’d lose my job

My grammer is bad... I know this.. you all know this.. and using the logic which i myself attempt to express, i should be able to easily and over a short time, correct my grammer problems..... So what holds me back?

My lack of desire... It's not that important to me, and it should be.
But i can admit, it never has been... as i have always come up with the arguement that if they only critisise my grammer, then i am grateful.

I am very definant by nature i suppose, and having recognised this tendency, i should make efforts to change my attitude in this regard.

I.e.. I choose not to like the fact that i have bad grammer, and i here by choose to attempt to over time, correct my spelling errors.

Gillianren: I apologise for my arguements in the past, you were of course correct.

I have three serious problems, in communication, the first being grammer, and the second, is my lack of depth in explaining things to others, which then leaves so many holes, that the transfer of ideas is obstructed... And then requires a long arguement.
Third, is the lack of quanifiable related issues which can and should be discussed regarding MY theorietical proposals.

I maybe able to correct the first quickly, and the second over time, yet the third shall be the most difficult. As inventing a new math system is hard.

-MT

Electromagneticpulse: Good for you.... I also unplugged my TV, and put it in an awkward position so that I have not watched it in 3 months now.

Suntrack2: I'd say the artist did poorly, because his mind is trained to see images and patterns to impress mental right brain images down onto paper or clay, etc.
Art is a mental doing process, and while using brain capacity, it does not train one to improve there recall of ideas, and the making of branching connections.
I.e... The hours a day you spend on a subject will determine your profession at it.

Scientist, spend their days remembering and going over data and ideas.
Artist spend their days creating beautiful things.

Ask the scienitist to paint a portrait or sculpt clay, and you may get just as much success with the artist trying to build a rocket.

Specialization is bad... Generalization in studies is good.. I.e.. Do both.
-MT