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Pretty nice puzzle. I won't spoil it with the answer, but it was a toughie. There is a real answer, although I doubted it on first reading the puzzle.
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Clarification needed:
The visitor says, "you have both". He doesn't say, "you have only". Would that be correct?
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Each tribe member has instanteously realized that (s)he is colour-blind, since (s)he had never noticed the blue and brown eyes the visitor mentions. The entire tribe is therefore about to undergo a crisis of religious faith, having lost a central tenet of their religion.
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If there was only one with blue eyes, he/she would see only brown eyes, and immediately know that he was the odd one out. After he committed suicide, all the others would know the reason, and do the same. Now, if there were only two with blue eyes, those two would notice that only one other person had blue eyes, and as that person did not commit suicide, he must be able to see someone with blue eyes, which could only be you, so both would commit suicide, and afterwards the other 18. Fine so far? But it goes on. If there were only three people with blue eyes, one of those three would see only two people with blue eyes, wonder why they didn't commit suicide (like above), decide that he had blue eyes as well, and kill himself. Etcetera. So Question 1: they are all going to kill themselves, and question 2: they didn't know that there were only two different colours (everyone before could have guessed that he had a third colour). This does only count though if there are indeed only two colours in the tribe, which the puzzle doesn't make clear. If that is not the intention, I don't think anything bad will happen to the clan, and I don't think any new info is given. It would be different if there were only two people with brown (or blue) eyes, as the info "you can all see that what I said is true" means that there have to be at least two of each colour. If there were only two, anyone with that colour would see the problem, knwo his own colour, and kill himself, so even if there were more than two colours (or if the info of the anthropoligist left open that possibility), in this case, two people (or four people in the worst case) would kill himself (four if you had two blue- and two brown-eyed people, and 16 other coloured). But I guess I have made a logical error again somewhere ![]()
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The only new info given to the tribe is that there are only two colors of eyes. Provided there are three or more people with each color, the solution is indeterminant, same as the socks in the drawer puzzle (drawer full of socks, two colors - how many socks must one pull out in the dark before they have a matching pair? Answer - three). Wait. The man said "people" referencing the number who had each color. Thus, implying two or more. That's the info. Thus, if there were two people who had blue eyes, then one or the other, looking around, realizing that there was only one other person with blue eyes, would kill himself. The other, looking around, seeing no more blue eyeed people would kill himself, too. The rest of the tribe, looking around, would see nothing but brown eyes, but would know because of the logical conclusion of the first two that they all had brown eyes and would kill themselves. But with three people or more with blue eyes, this logic falls. Thus, the tribe wouldn't do anything, as each of the blue eyed people would see four others with blue eyes and rightly conclude the requirements of the person's statement were met, regardless of their eyes, and do nothing. But they would now know that there were only two colors of eyes among themselves. That's the new pice of information. [/quote]
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Your neat ratio of 5 blue-eyed to 15 brown-eyed (if indeed only two colours are implied) makes me think of the Mendelian inheritance of eye-colour: but a logical and observant tribe should already have deduced that fact for themselves, without having to hear of the visitor's family and see the visitor's eye-colour.
Thus, a mother who bore a brown-eyed child to a blue-eyed father would realize she must have brown eyes, and kill herself. The father would realize from his partner's suicide that he must have blue eyes, and kill himself. And the child, grown to adulthood, would realize from tales of her parents' suicides that she must have brown eyes, and so kill herself. Tut. Tragic. But presumably not the answer. Grant Hutchison |
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Case one: you have brown eyes. Then the two people with blue eyes would each only see one person with brown eyes (and as you agreed, would kill themselves). So because these people have not yet killed themselves, you must have blue eyes as well. Aaaargh (sorry, Monthy Python popped in).
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I think we need to assume that, if one of the tribe members learns his/her eye color during the daily meeting, s/he acts on this knowledge the next day, neither sooner nor later. Otherwise, we have a little problem if they think at different speeds.
Also, they can't disclose what they have learned, but it seems this one is already covered in the problem statement. |
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If I see only one blue-eyed person, and on the first day that person has not committed suicide, it implies they can see a blue-eyed person to account for the visitor's remark: so I must have blue eyes. I'll kill myself on the second day, as will the other blue-eyed person, who has used the same logic. But if I see two blue-eyed people, and by the second day they haven't committed suicide, then I must have blue eyes. And so on: so on the fifth day, all five blue-eyed people commit suicide. This informs the brown-eyes of their brown-eyed status, and they all commit suicide on the sixth day. (Assuming the tribe is aware that only two eye-colours are possible.) Grant Hutchison |
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From the anthropologist's remark that some villagers had blue eyes and all the rest had brown eyes, the villagers learned that if there had been only one blue-eyed person he would now be able to realize on the first day that he had blue eyes. This knowledge would allow them to begin a series of deductions that would eventually result in their committing suicide. It is interesting to note that the new knowledge is only about what would have happened in a situatuion that is patently contrary to fact, yet it enables valid deductions about the actual state of affairs in the real world.
If the anthropolgist had subsequently kept his mouth shut, the five blue-eyed people would have committed suicide on the fifth day. When the anthropologist then remarked that everyone had already been able to see that the tribe contained both blue-eyed and brown-eyed members anyway, he expedited the process because now if there had been exactly two blue-eyed people they would have realized their eye color on the first day (since the remark insures that there are at least two blue-eyed people, it would allow a person seeing only one blue-eyed person to conclude that he, himself, had blue eyes). Hence, the five blue-eyed people would now commit suicide on the fourth day. |