http://www.astraeamagazine.com/osman...radio_frm.html

interview with osmanagich , english, 27 min

Yeah...that's 26 minutes of my life I'll never get back...thanks a lot.

First off, I couldn't help but noticed just how credulous the "interviewer" was. He must have congratulated Osmanagich on his "amazing disoveries" a dozen times or more.

Earlier in this thread, I asked the question, "is finding the pyramid good for business?" Evidently it is for Sam, as he intends to continue his "work" there for the next 5 to 10 years, all the while receiving government funds to finance that "work".

I remain unconvinced that there is a "pyramid" there, and I simply do not trust Mr. Osmanagich, Asteria magazine, or anyone associated with them to actually do an objective evaluation. I really don't care what they believe to be true...I'm "from Missouri" meaning that they must demonstrate to me (and others) that what they have "found" is anything more than "wishful thinking"...they have not done so...

Added...about 7 minutes into the "interview" Osmanagich mentions finding (inside the tunnels??) monoliths with "inscriptions". I'd like to know why we have not seen images of these "inscriptions"? (or did I miss that.)

edited to fix sloppy wording.

There have been some pictures of rocks with images on them (at least one of them was mirrored without mentioning that, which gave a weird effect and did not add to their credibility). AFAIK, no info was given on where those rocks were found, by whom, and so on. But then again, no info on the excavations is given whatsoever, only fancy pictures, often without any indication of the scale or so (normally, all pictures in an archaeological dig have some measurement indicator). I presume these will come once the peer reviewed papers arrive...

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http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/p...2006/img09.jpg
here


http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/p...2006/img13.jpg


this stairs is not pyramid stairs , it is close to the pyramid
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/p...2006/IMG15.jpg

http://www.visocko-oko.co.ba/q17.jpg


http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4...soonovo1qj.jpg

Black Mamba, I appreciate the swift response and the effort you put in this, but can you please just link to the images instead of posting them? This will reduce the load (internet connection) for those people that have slow internet, while everyone that wants to can still see the images, and see where they come from.

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Black Mamba...The 1st image you've posted could read "Kilroy was here" from all I can tell (it's not very clear), and it doesn't really convince me of anything. You have yet to tell us just why it convinces you.

Please do so.

I've previously asked for the same...with no results...

I'll ask, too. Black Mamba, Please stop putting pictures in-line. 1) Use links. 2) With the link, provide a statement of what the picture depicts and why you think it is important that people see it.

What is it and why should we care?

I'm tired of the unnarrated travelogue.

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I neglected to look at this link (until just now)...it really "says it all".

I wouldn't be surprised if the "Bosnian Pryamid" didn't somehow fit in with his "alien beliefs".

My conclusion? Sam is a woowoo, and as such, shouldn't this thread be moved to BABBling? There is really no science involved here.

It really isn't clear where this thread belongs. I plan to leave it here on the idea that this is on the boundary between legitimate Archaeology and something goofy that might belong in Off-Topic Babbling. I don't think it really fits in Conspiracy or Against-The-Mainstream.

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Can somebody also tell me why we have not yet seen pictures from the "hudreds of meters of tunnels" that have been explored? We see 8 meters. I would say that pictures from inside the tunnels would be quite interesting from a fund raising perspective...

As for the rest, as the dig-up objects are bounded by ground surrounding them, it is hard to tell whether the visible part is relevant for the total shape of the stones. And that round stairs do not prove there's a 12000 year old pyramid there. I thought it was previously well known it was a medieval site, so it isn't too surprisingly that stairs like that are found there.

From what info did the main researcher already get such an outlandish theory?

This story was in a free newspaper in the trains this week, and even they were skeptical .

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markrose was not tehre he has not seen anything , that is why you can not belive what he says, he biggest argument against pyramid

"it is impossible"

it is not his beliefs, he found it in maya scripts


from national geographic



tonight egyptian expert comming to bosnia to see if hill is natural formation or not

Osmanagic counters that the material was misrepresented and was not his theory, but an interpretation of a Maya codex, or ancient book.

Interpretation??? Whose interpretation? Osmanagic's??

Sounds to me like a "re-hash" of Von Daniken and Sitchin.

I will ask you again, Black Mamba...just WHY are you so impressed by this "stuff"??

i will tell you why

today is a great day, egyptian expert ali abdulah berekat has confirmed that bosnian hill is a pyramid after analasys, he said that stone blocks are man made, and they where same material as in egyptian pyramids


http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/p...6/15050601.jpg

berekat with osmanagich


moon pyramid

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/p...6/15050605.jpg

http://www.piramidasunca.ba/images/p...6/14050622.jpg

It seems to me that Black Mamba may be involved with this pyramid project in some way. Maybe he lives in the area and wants this to be a new tourist attraction. If the pyramid was true, it would translate into a big flow of money into the area.

Do you have a link to the source saying he has confirmed and some details on that?

Without context a confirmation does not tell me a lot, after all an egyptologist confirmed the pyramids were made from concrete to name just one confirmation. So source please.

(btw: DOUBLE KILOPI!! )

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I would love to be able to verify any of that...but after a web search, the only reference that I can find for berekat is in a language other than english.

I did, however, find the following...

LONDON -- Following a report published in The Art Newspaper last month, more than 20 Bosnian archaeologists, museum directors and historians have issued a statement condemning an amateur archaeologist's search for a pyramid at Visoko Hill, near the remains of Bosnia's medieval royal capital.

The statement, issued on 22 April, strongly criticised the controversial excavations being conducted by Texas-based entrepreneur Semir "Sam" Osmanagic. He believes that there is a "valley of the kings" of up to four pyramids in the archaeologically-rich area.

On 14 April, surrounded by journalists, Mr Osmanagic began digging. With no internationally accredited archaeologists present, the excavations were carried out by mine workers from nearby Kakanj.

Stone slabs bearing inscriptions were soon discovered, and Mr Osmanagic declared the hill to be "the mother of all pyramids". On 19 April, as enough evidence of genuine archaeological importance had emerged, the ministry of culture suspended Mr Osmanagic's permit until a commission of experts from the National Museum and the Commission to Protect National Monuments could inspect the area and report.

Despite this setback for Mr Osmanagic, the ministry has declared its backing for the project, which the outraged archaeologists describe as the equivalent of allowing an amateur to dig at Stonehenge. There has been surprise among academics at the level of official support for the project, which has been endorsed by the Mayor of Sarajevo, among others.

The site was visited by officials from Sarajevo and Zenica on 19 April, and the next day by the Prime Minister of the Bosnia-Herzegovina Federation, Ahmed Hadzipasic, a move that according to one Bosnian archaeologist, was a message to the ministry of culture not to create any obstacles. The prime minister declared that the pyramid was 12,000 years old and should become "a recognisable state project. He also said that
the pyramid was the most important thing to happen to Bosnia since the Dayton Accords.

The public statements issued by the experts from Sarajevo, Zenica, Bijeljina, Tuzla and Mostar demanded an "urgent ban on further digging in that archaeological area, currently being carried out by an unqualified person". If this is not carried out they threaten to approach "international organisations, including the International Council of Monuments and Sites and Unesco, to ask for the protection of national heritage from their own administration." It described the pyramid hunt as "a farce that is a laughing stock for the world."

Notice the last 2 sentence's of the 6th paragraph. The Prime minister has declared that the pyramid is 12,000 years old, and that it is the most important thing to happen to Bosnia...etc.

This isn't about science...it's about politics/money...and it becomes obviously so when you have a politician "declaring" what is and what isn't scientific fact.

The more I learn about this "pyramid", the more bogus it becomes...

I wonder why that is...??

soon, soon

i have no english page , but soon

Bosnian source is fine as well in the meantime.

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I would like to stress the word DETAILS.

All I've heard are people making claims, and nobody explaining why their claims are confirmed. All I see is "it is so, because I'm an expert". Even experts need facts to be convinced.

I read through his The World of the Maya. One of the first things he writes is,
As if the Maya built their cities in the middle of the jungle without cleari