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Old 28-December-2005, 08:35 AM
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Default Bosnian Pyramid

First pyramid found in Europe. Quite extraordinary

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You're ToSeeked somewhere (I think in Babbling).

Looks an awful lot like a hill to me. They'll need firm evidence to prove this is a hill shaped into a pyramid and not a pyramid shaped hill.
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This does look like evidence to me
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I am willing to believe there's a pyramid there. But with the tiny and unclear images on that site I can't tell for myself, and I can't read the reports.

They claim to have found hundreds of meters of straight walled and 90° splitting tunnels, which would indeed prove (to large extent) a manmade structure. But with tiny unclear photos (in which I hardly can recognize a tunnel) we've got very little more than stories to judge from. Same goes from the stone pictures: I can't see whether they're manmade, how they are positioned on the hill etcetc.

Finding archealogical itmes on that hill (like the ball or what is it on the photo) also does not prove that the hill is man made or severely altered by men. It is known that people used to live around that hill/pyramid in the past. We need clear evidence that the hill has been altered.

I'm waiting for clear imagery, clear reports and the like of the tunnels, stairs, stone cover etcetc.
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There are pyramids are nearly every continent on earth, why can't Bosnia have one?
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Of course they can have one. What needs to be proven is whether they have one.
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I think this is mostly bogus;
Mr Osmanagic seems to think that this pyramid is 12000 years old.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...s.php?id=53968
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Mr. Osmanagic concluded that under the present hill of Visocica hides a stairs-like pyramid, about 12,000 years old. Osmanagic, who intensively researched on pyramids in Americas, Asia and Africa for the last 15 years and wrote several books on the subject, says he's quite sure he found the first pyramid in Europe, which is quite similar to ones in the Southern America.He believes that the project would completely change Bosnia's significance in the world of archeology.On the top of "Bosnian pyramid of Sun" was a temple, built by pre-Illyrians, people who lived, according to Osmanagic, 27,000 years ago.
I think this is extremely unlikely, and this dating makes the rest of his research look shaky.
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How much you guys want to bet that Hoagland stumbles across this page and includes it in his site?
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I think this is mostly bogus;
Mr Osmanagic seems to think that this pyramid is 12000 years old.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...s.php?id=53968


I think this is extremely unlikely, and this dating makes the rest of his research look shaky.
27000 years ago, what kind of temple are we talking about here?

I really need CLEAR info on the tunnels and the like before I am convinced. Too bad if he's not lying, but this approach makes it so suspicoous. If you found 200 meters of tunnels, do spend more than 180*180 pixels on it!

That said, I'm really interested in the findings of a professional research of this site.
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Hum,
i guess that there were only 100 or so people that were living in that part of Europe during the end of the ice age. So given the size of it, and lack of any evidence supporting the theory i would be surprised if anybody took it seriously.

Perhaps, if you put it on E-bay someone would buy it.
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"We found a paved entrance plateau and discovered underground tunnels. You don't have to be an expert to realize what this is."
What's in the tunnels?
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An atmospheric substance called air, and a quite fuggy variant on that, is my guess .

He claims to have explored 200m of tunnels and stopped where there was a T split. There are "stories" of children entering the small pyramid tunnels and coming out on top of the large one on the other side of the river. Perfectly dry tunnels underneath a river after 12000 years - amazing...
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A more recent CBS News article.

""No fast conclusions, please. The evidence has to be firm, at least beyond a reasonable doubt," he said."
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The oldest city known is Çatalhöyük in Turkey, which is 8000 to 9000 years old.
http://www.focusmm.com/civcty/cathyk00.htm
http://www.smm.org/catal/introduction/
This supposed pyramid would need to be three thousand years earlier, during the Palaeolithic period.
Not a chance.
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One thing to remember here is that it's entierly possible for the pyranid to me manmade without being from the time he's talking about.
Another possibility is that it's an essentially natural hill that's been shaped and faced.
More archaeology is needed to answer which and when and to me it looks like some of the sillier claims is made to raise the money for that.
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Hum,
yeah,
From the CBS article - "The hill was already there, some ancient civilization just shaped it and then coated it with this primitive concrete _ and there you have a pyramid."

Which would be quite possible during the Bronze Age onwards - as that was the time of wide spread hill fortification.
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A prime example of Bad Archaeology, it seems to me.
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Mr Osmanagic seems to think that this pyramid is 12000 years old
no he does not think that, he said in a interview that pyramid is minimum 3000 old


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I'm waiting for clear imagery, clear reports and the like of the tunnels, stairs, stone cover etcetc.

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3000 years is a little more realistic, although why has Osmanagic ever mentioned these ridiculous 12000 and 27000 year estimates at all?
These links quote him as giving those dates
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...s.php?id=53968
http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/...bosnia_07.html
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Mr. Osmanagić concluded that under the present hill of Visočica hides a stairs-like pyramid, about 12,000 years old. Osmanagić, who intensively researched on pyramids in Americas, Asia and Africa for the last 15 years and wrote several books on the subject, says he's quite sure he found the first pyramid in Europe, which is quite similar to ones in the Southern America.
He believes that the project would completely change Bosnia's significance in the world of archeology. On the top of "Bosnian pyramid of Sun" was a temple, built by pre-Illyrians, people who lived, according to Osmanagić, 27,000 years ago.
Now it is certainly possible that someone has misquoted him, and mixed the dates up; then the Internet has picked up and repeated the mistake. I would think it pretty strange if Osmanagic really said this in the first place, as it seems to imply that the sun temple was built 27000 years ago on top of a 12000 year old pyramid (not a bad trick).
But if he is going for a relatively sober 3000 b.p. date then it seems not impossible after all.

If this is an artificial mound it is considerably larger than the previous holder of the 'largest mound in Europe' title, Silbury Hill in Wiltshire.
http://www.stonepages.com/england/silburyhill.html
Silbury hill is 4000 years old, but only 130 feet high as opposed to 700 metres.

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3000 years is a little more realistic, although why has Osmanagic ever mentioned these ridiculous 12000 and 27000 year estimates at all?
These links quote him as giving those dates
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com...s.php?id=53968
http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/...bosnia_07.html



Now it is certainly possible that someone has misquoted him, and mixed the dates up; then the Internet has picked up and repeated the mistake.
exactly exactly



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If this is an artificial mound it is considerably larger than the previous holder of the 'largest mound in Europe' title, Silbury Hill in Wiltshire.
http://www.stonepages.com/england/silburyhill.html
Silbury hill is 4000 years old, but only 130 feet high as opposed to 700 metres.
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bosnian pyramid is not a mound, it is a stone building, there is a stone buidling uder the hill



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Hum,
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From the CBS article - "The hill was already there, some ancient civilization just shaped it and then coated it with this primitive concrete _ and there you have a pyramid."

Which would be quite possible during the Bronze Age onwards - as that was the time of wide spread hill fortification
this is not truth, osmangich said that it is not truth, someone has misquoted him

the truth is there is a stone construction under the hill
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