http://www.ryanmercer.com/WaterFuel.wmv

I found the video capture important enough I absolutely had to host it... you HAVE to take 2 minutes to watch that... I want one of his torch set ups.

Basically... you still need energy to convert water into hydrogen and oxygen... but... but... we have the new hybrid nuclear reactor that 95% of it is below ground, it can be COMPLETELY shut down in SECONDS instead of hours, and it can re-use the fuel and the fuel byproducts in the reactor like 75%... whereas operational reactors now can not recycle it at all... which means much more energy out of the same amount of nuclear fuel... plus advancements in solar technology and better wind farms... could mean much cleaner energy to make this water-fuel with in the next decade or so.


(by the way... sorry about the "FUELy" in the topic... it's 2am... and i've got alcohol in my system.

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"Converts from H2O to HHO." Oh my....

And somehow the flame is only slightly warm, but can melt metal almost instantly... "hotter than the surface of the sun." That violates a few physical laws, unless he's just using pure oxygen, which is reacting with the surface of the material, or unless they mean that the apparatus doesn't warm up much, in which case it's not really amazing: any gas torch with enough pressure will be the same.

http://hytechapps.com/science/index.html

Sounds like he's electrolysing water, then welding with H2 and O2. I don't get the "no oxidation" claim, though, though they do say that it is only "thought to be achieved." Maybe if you hold the torch further back so that most of the O2 is burned off by the time it hits the metal....

Anyway, my Bad Science detector is buzzing like crazy, and that web site sure isn't helping to silence it. Especially the part where it says that HHO improves automotive fuels. http://hytechapps.com/presentation/#page=1 Umm... I've been stuck many times from having HHO in my tank!

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wasnt that reportage fom april 1 day?
it is more insane than if I claim that UFO landwed in my back yard.
I also saw that Lochness moster was captured, Stone age human unfrozen from ice. and many similar stuff.

A friend did this, a pocket version of electrolysis and recombination, a long while ago:

Sci-Toys.com: Plastic Hydrogen Bomb

Before someone else comments: the "hydrogen bomb" name is just playful. It isn't fusion; it's hydrogen-oxygen. (But, one school principal wasn't taking chances.)

I wonder if the TSA airplane-passenger screeners are confiscating batteries or water yet.

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Nothing new with this torch or using water to power a car.

You can find number of reference on the internet. (if you are interested about free energy of course , most people dont bother to search ,it so much easy to say it violate all the known physical laws ! )

It is just that now oil is really expensive so the guy can pass through the giggle barrier and make his show on TV. He has a clean look also , it add.

Anyway i am very in doubt this guy will last long before big money take care about him. he will be bought or he will be killed.

nonsense, why do you thing this tv show talks abiout this absurd in so sure maner? and in the end you will see that everyone is laughing. tere are H2 welding machines, and it is possible they used real one for this trick.

Because clearly the Internet is the place to look when investigating a new technology... rather than, say, refereed journals. Or, you know, any of the documents from a couple hundred years' worth of investigation into thermodynamics.

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Yes you are completely right , nothing in refereed journals and old scrawls . Only in the internet some freedom wind is blowing !

Not sure what your reaction means. HHO is just a catchy name for the gas mixture. It is 2 parts hydrogen gas and one part oxygen gas. Not bound in water form, in gas mixture form. Nothing special.

I'm a little unclear on this part. The video demonstrates touching the torch end while it is on and flame coming out. Would you be able to do that with an Oxy-acetylene torch?

Yes, I didn't see explanation about the "bonds to fuels" either.

I doubt you had HHO in your tank - you had H₂O in your tank. The difference is explained above.

This sounds a lot to me like a Brown's Gas claim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown%27s_gas

The wikipedia article is a little sparse regarding independent testing and other specifics: here's a more in-depth piece (though poorly formatted and somewhat adversarial):
http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm

The result seems to be that whatever Brown's Gas really is, it's completely unsatisfactory for any of the uses its proponents suggest, and is lacking in any properties different from those of a simple mixture of H2 and O2

--Edited to change description of second link

Yup, if you turn up the gas pressure and keep the flame outside the nozzle.

The problem I have with the HHO notation is that they write it in the context of a chemistry equation. H2O -> HHO. That implies that it's a single species that is somehow different from water (like, in a linear H-H-O bonding scheme). Plus, they say it combines the power of hydrogen with the stability of water... not sure how that fits into the gas mixture idea.

Anyway, I'll accept Digix's idea that this was just an April Fool's joke... for my own sanity, at the least.

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an other inventor , already murdered this one :
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...entor+murdered

Single quote from clip that tells me it's bogus:
Three times as much energy is produced by electrolysis as is consumed.

Sounds like someone's trying to pull a fast one.

Disclaimer: I haven't seen the whole clip, the initial manipulative idyllic music with visual symbols caused me to skip to somewhere in the middle where I head the quote I wrote, after which I decided to stop wasting my time.

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I dont understand how that "inventor" can be clever enough to invent perpetual morion, but to dumb to use it to power its own house? If I had such thing working I would at least use it for myself and neigbours. why not use it for heating the house? he could just put it somewhere, turn on and enjoy huge power sawings.

but instead of that he therorizes everyone around asking for bilions for further development of somenting that is already working.

Very right indeed.

May be he is just as greedy as the big oil companies and not really interested in solving energy problem.

They are laughing to make everybody "undestand" this is a joke !

What we see is nothinh new , as somedy said it looks like Brown's gas.

Breeder reactors (aka, Hanford, WA) have been around since WWII. Where do you think they got the plutonium from which they used in Fat Man on Nagasaki?

You're about 55 years too late!

Wind farms create what I term "weather pollution" by altering local weather patterns. And the butterfly effect remains in full force, so it's anyone's guess as to what impact robbing surface wind energy will have on global weather patterns.

Then there's the visual pollution of all those incredibly ugly wind farms (compared to the lush beauty they're obscuring more and more).

Solar technology isn't "clean," either, as the manufacturing of those chips produces pollution.[/quote]

Having said that, solar shingle roofing throughout the sunny Southwest is actually a good idea. A better idea would be to escape 1950's house-building technologies embedded into most local code and build houses that require 1/10th the heating or cooling of "modern" construction techniques.

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