Sigh. Do you have anything to actually contribute, or would you like me to start citing sources? (Which I could. Quite a lot of them, in fact.)

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

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Sorry, I would just like to add something to this discussion. A little bit off-track but I've been waiting for an opportunity like this one. I think we are taking too much medication these days in general. My mom and most of her friends for instance, walks around with a handbag AND a medicine bag. Even the slightest headache gets treated with aspirin.

My friend who is only 31 years of age, drinks like 12 different kinds of pills EVERY day! She is not even a sick person so I don't know why she drinks so many pills. People have become more dependant on pills since we started producing them. Okay, I drink one multi-vitamin- and one Omega3 fish-oil tablet every morning. But the only time I'll have an aspirin or myprodol is when I REALLY need one(like a migraine for instance. In fact that's the only time I DO have a myprodol!) I concur with Doodler, it's the parents that need medication when they are too ''lazy'' to deal with hyperactive kids. There must be children out there that really does have a problem. And with all the artificial constituents in food products these days, it's no wonder some kinds tend to freak out. but I want to go as far as to say that no child needs any medication for anything, only when they REALLY need it.

We are slowly evolving into a bunch of ''softies'' when we want medication for every little ailment. Or when parents in general want to put their kids on drugs.

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!" Hehehehehe....Nice, one!

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sarongsong - instead of being generally rude and mocking posters without backing it up, why don't you try, instead, to add to the collective knowledge in this thread? And if you are going to dispute someone's statement, it is common courtesy to explain why, and cite whenever possible, instead of merely hit'n'run mocking Please try to do this in the future.

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Oh, I dunno about this one... You get a kid wound up and disobedient enough because they're not getting what they want or are just being ornery and negotiations are kinda useless.


They have a hardwired ability to mimic behaviors.

You're not a parent, are you? Kids can be possessed of a very amoral nature simply by virtue of not having picked up on morality. Its why child soldiers are so damned terrifying. Death isn't real to them, its just a game with lots of sound and fury. Kids pick up on behaviors and mimic them, but they also learn very quickly to manipulate circumstances by expressing certain behaviours, and a lot of severe misbehaviour is frustration over not getting what they want.

Good God, its Ben Spock! :eep:

Or pure frustration when they don't get their way.

Negative reinforcement to certain behaviours is acceptable within limits. You are correct about the madness of psychiatric diagnosis, though. Their minds are still forming, and unless there's a severe behaviour pattern that makes itself very obvious, its difficult to discern where abnormality and simple experimentation with emotive states lies.

Here's your change.

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Hey Antice, just curious...

What kind of punishment would you think appropriate for this bunch?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/29/hom...ack/index.html

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You do not need to spank or hit a child in order to teach it how to behave.

Referring to a child as "it" I would guess no, not a parent.

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

This is only a reflection of the failure of the adults that are suposed to teach these kids proper behavior. All forms of morality is learned beahavior. nobody is born with good morals.
Puting these kids in cages (jail) would not solve anything, and in fact would probably make them dangerous to society once they were let out again.
The kids involved in this sort of thing needs proper psychiatric treatment (therapy. NOT drugs).

And I am a parent.
to a very well behaved child at that.
I belive It is you as the adult that has to set the standard for behavior for your children.
Children do learn by imitation, so if YOU as a parent show proper good behavior and due consideration of others, your child will likely learn this pattern from you.
If instead you use force or harch punishment, You teach your kids that it is ok to hurt others. A child does not understand the difference between pushing someone away and beating them unconcious.

You'd be amazed at how much a 4 year old can understand when someone actualy takes the time to talk AND listen.
A child that does not get what it wants gets angry. so would you. The child has a right to get angry if it feels that something is unfair. The child needs to be tought how to deal with such emotions and to express them in a non destructive manner.
The best way IMHO is to stay calm and let the child tell you why it is angry. give comfort and explain why the child does not get his or her way.
I cant vouch for the science in this method, but it works very well with my child. and most others i have observed using this method.

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English is not my first language.. and the generic therm child in norwegian "barn" is defined as a nongender word. defined with the word "et" therefore the use of "it"
in a unspecified use of the word.(I.E. not refering to any particular child) This use would be good grammar in my own language. If it isn't good gramar in English then please accept my apologies.
In my own language the gender asignment changes once you are refering to a single child of a known gender. (IE han/hun (he/she respectively))

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Thought it might have been something like that. If I remember my Deutsch correctly, the word for an unmarried woman has a neuter gender assignment as well, though I believe that might be changing.

As for kids, you assume quite a bit in your belief that parents are sole sources of inspiration. Some of its cultural, some of it is a kid learning to test limits. Over here in the States, kids who act on wayward impulse driven by less than admirable set examples need immediate, and sometimes unforgiving correction.

If you're all your kids know, its cheese. Unfortunately, you're never all your kid knows...

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Doodler. I'd say you'r right about that. But it is stil the parents responsibility to create a safe and sound environment for your children to develop in.
As for culture. that is a we ALL have responsibility to weed out unwanted behavior in society. (Yes i do know that this is impossible, but we should try annyway).
I try to talk with my child whenever such situasions occur where she is a witnes to unwanted behavior (IE someone being rude).
And blaming ones own failure to teach good behawior on others bad examples is IMHO only a scapegoat. I't follows that altough kids learn from others they always look to mom and dad as their primary inspiration. (that implies parents that are capable of being there for their kids)
The society as a whole has a responsibility to catch those cases where the parents fail, and intervene as necesearry.

this is bordering on politics and with respect to the bord rules, I'l stop here.
I never said it was easy to be a parent

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Dang, I hate when people have better explinations than the ones I guess on my own.

(And for the record, I didn't mean anything derogatory by it either. I call kids "it" sometimes too)

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I'm like one of those idiot savants...well, except for the savant part.

My mother's a genuinely good parent, but she happened to raise a sociopath (my little sister). Sometimes, the parent isn't responsible for the child's behaviour.

Also, I believe that the medication is largely distributed wrong. Some people (raises hand) do genuinely need to be medicated. (I finally got on the right stuff yesterday, or at least stuff for the right condition: Lemixal, I believe it's called.) We've just started thinking everything can be medicated away.

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"Now everyone was giving her that kind of look UFOlogists get when they suddenly say, 'Hey, if you shade your eyes you can see it is just a flock of geese after all.'"

"You can't erase icing."

"I can't believe it doesn't work! I found it on the internet, man!"

Actually, "it" would translate to "det" as in:
it is a child.
det er et barn.

"a" or "an" is used for the words "en", "ei" and "et":

she is a girl - hun er ei jente
he is a boy - han er en gutt
it is a child - det er et barn

so "a" or "an" is not gendered.

I think there is nothing gramaticaly wrong in refering to one child of nonspecified gender as "it", though it may sound a little wierd or old-fasioned in some sentences. some may even think it makes it sound like the child is an object. There are several gender-neutral pronouns for refering to humans, but they are just proposed/used in a limited community, for example:
You do not need to spank or hit a child in order to teach ey how to behave.

By the way, I think it is right. I can not remember ever being spanked. A scolding or being held so I could not hit anything/anyone until I calmed down was enough, you quickly realize that you have little choice when you are facing an oponent so much stronger. If children had the power to really hurt/kill a prepaired adult from the start we would probably not have survived as a species.

Though sometimes it might have been better if children was instructed in self-defensive prudence, for example, if someone kidnaps you, and you get a good chance to escape, use it, it may be the only one you get or how to use leverage to your advantage(I do not think anyone would think it bad for a child to hit someone that was really hurting them over the head with something to get away to safety)

I think that hitting tends to become more a way to vent frustration than about teaching right from wrong, even if the adult deludes themselves into thinking otherwise. I do not think it is more effective than just restraining the child(I am not talking about tieing them up, just holding them so they can not run amok...) until it calms down enough to actually listen to reason. Of course, it does take more restraint and patience on the side of the adult, and raising a child is likely to be taxing on these attributes...

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Is that Lamictal? That's about the only thing close I find, which is an anti-epiletic (anticonvulsant) which says it also used for bipolar. There is a big warning on that for a serious rash condition, occuring at about 0.8% (8 per 1000) in adults.

-Richard

Back to the main subject, here's a good one, and this is by a
psychiatrist:

http://www.intueri.org/2007/02/17/th...order-in-kids/

-Richard

TrAi: I agree on this approach to child adult conflicts.


The use of "det" depends on whether the sentence refer to a particular child, or to child as a generic term.
Et barn is the generic, and det barnet is the particular form.
Not a fully translatable language construct that.
back to the topic.

Gillianren: There are many reasons for stuff like this to happen that are beyond anything a parent can prevent or mitigate. If a child has a neurological or chemical problem then medication is probably a good alternative.
The problem with setting such a diagnoses, is that most of the symptoms are of the behavioral kind, thus making it very hard for the professionals to separate between abnormal behavior from physical illness, and plain old bad manners.
How do you find out if a 2 year old is psychotic???
One should expect annything from a child that small when it comes to behavior. Testing limits is what they do best at that age

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