This has probably been covered before, so this may be a woefully short topic...

Could black holes and the big bang merely be part of a circuit? The big bang starts at the same point black holes leave off, so why can't we simply say the universe is swallowing itself and spewing itself back out at the beginning of time?

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What does this mean?


We can say it, sure. We can say anything. But there's no evidence or basis for it.

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Lee Smolin, Harvard, suggests exactly that.

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Very original thinking. Not quite what I had in mind but clearly a very interesting approach. The problem is that it will be a short thread because to expand on this idea would take the whole topic outside the scope of mainstream science.

I've thought of this before, that maybe black holes grow and grow, more black holes are produced over time, black holes start consuming each other, until the universe is just one monster black hole, and then for whatever reason it explodes (the big bang) releasing everything, and then the circle continues.

Okay I could be totally wrong, but I don't know many facts on the universe and black holes.

Actually, Ross, I was thinking that the black holes are tied to the big bang in a way that I can only describe inaccurately, but hopefully you'll understand anyway.

Wormholes are allowed by current physics I believe, so imagine the "bottom" of a black hole is a wormhole through space and time, back to the beginning, in a continuous circuit. All black holes from the first one to the last one could be connected this way to the big bang. Since time is irrelevant, it does not matter when the black hole is created or destroyed since the wormhole would carry it's matter back to the big bang.

It's the cosmic equivalent of pulling your lower lip over your head and swallowing yourself.

The nice thing about my (dare I call it a theory) "theory" is that time travel through wormholes is allowed but you'd have to want to be a part of a really big explosion if you want to travel back to the beginning of the universe. Of course, after having been crushed into a degenerate blob of black-holiness I doubt you'd enjoy the explosion very much.

You know, I could turn this into a funeral service option... have your "ashes" scattered throughout the universe by being fired into a black hole after you are deceased. I'd sign up for it!

Now all I need is a black hole... hmm... I guess I wouldn't care if my body floated in a space casket for millenia before being sucked into the black hole, so I could do this right from Earth orbit. I'll offer a service that fires you off in the right direction; and you'll get there eventually. How long makes no difference since A. Your dead B. You'll make up the time once you're sucked into the black hole.

Hey!!!!!!!! I just solved the Hawking Paradox!!! Information wouldn't be destroyed this way and it's a heck of a lot better than Hawking's multiple universe theory. Do I get a Nobel prize for this? Will they send it to a P.O. Box? I kinda like my privacy.

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By the way, I think this theory of mine would mean that multiple universes might be possible if you think about it like this...

If the big bang is a white hole (the only white hole) and is not a single event explosion but rather a continuous emission of Universe then new Universes are created continuously but exist one time quanta apart in order. As new stuff blows out the white hole it would never follow the same path it did originally unless the whole circuit simply puts everything back in the same order it started. If the new stuff being emitted does not follow the same path, then you have a new Universe being emitted. The Universes would follow each other temporally, not sit side by side spatially. So if there was such a thing as time quanta, if I moved backward one time quanta I'd be in a different Universe that was created after the one I'm in now.

This is cool... can I start a religion based on this? Anyone wanna follow me? Hello? Anybody there? Sheesh... I can't even figure out the way the universe works and get any kudos.

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