This is a completely spurious argument. There are many poisons that are chemically similar to compounds that are chemically inert or innocuous.

Ideally, yes. In practice, they often get away with a lot. Those who have the gold make the rules-- or, in the US, those who have lobbyists.

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Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

It seems to me that, for the most part, the system works pretty well in this country. There are exceptions, abuses, but I think that the codes for business in this country are pretty good and followed pretty well.

USDA and FDA have been compromised: they'll do anything for a buck.
If we ever get an honest admin, heads will roll, and.....maybe we can eat
without fear.....once again.

I wish I believed that. I wish it were actually true, regardless of my beliefs. I don't think either is the case, sadly.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Yeah, just another conspiracy by big government. Sometimes the posters here sound like the conspiracy freaks they hate so much.

No need for insults, just because we're not all idealists. People do occasionally conspire, y'know, or there wouldn't need to be laws against it. Corruption really does exist, or there wouldn't be so many people who keep getting caught doing it.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Insults? People call others such names on this board all the time. Seems to me that the insult is inferred based on which of the comment an individual is.

Spoken like a true conspiracy believer.

Yes it does and when the evidence is presented and holds up under scrutiny, others believe.

Nope, just spoken like a realist. If you're claiming conspiracies in business and politics never happen, can you provide proof?
I don't understand the statement. What evidence of what? That corruption occurs? I think that's what I just said. Others believe? What others believe what?

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Now you sound like a real woo woo. Nope I can't prove that conspiracies never occur so that must prove your case. Right?

Just saying that corruption occurs does not prove your case.

Noclevername is right in that companies will always struggle to push the limits. TheHacyonYear is right in that business codes work well throughout the so-called Western civilization and other advanced regions. It´s granted. No need to harsh exchanges.

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I agree. I just dislike the resort to mysterious unnamed conspiracies.

Not even slightly close to right.


What case? You seem to assume I'm saying something I didn't say. My case is that there is corruption, and that people do conspire. Both are true statements.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

You seem to think that a system that has abuses is unacceptable. I am saying that it tends to catch and correct abuses. Trouble is, we can't see any of these uncaught abuses because they don't get caught. Its the same reason UFO's can't be proven, the conspiracy of silence is too complete.

Open, public conspiracies aren't generally very successful.

Is that what I'm saying? Because I'm completely unaware of saying it. I better go find out what I else I might have said, then.

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

Dear Sir: Read the papers.

I think it's "dear Ma'am".

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"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable fiction."
Shakespeare, Twelfth Night
Illuminati's Razor-The most complicatedly evil answer is usually the most correct answer. - Fazor
"Every book is a children's book if the kid can read." - Mitch Hedberg
"Distance doesn’t matter much in space, where if you just start a thing off with the right kind of shove, sooner or later it will get where you want it to go." -Frederik Pohl, Mining the Oort

The middle beliefs are likely closest to reality. We should be cautiously optimistic, or perhaps optimistically cautious. Of course there is some corruption in high places. Prosecution is desirable when we can prove deliberate conspiracy that puts the public at risk. We cause unnecessary harm when we slander corporations and public servents who are doing the best job they know how. We need to punish the mainstream media, if they deliberately lie to advance private adgendas. We should cut independent media and small companies some slack. Compitition is good. Neil

Just for starters: How many "seeing eye dogs " paid with their lives....not to mention the beloved pets