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Old 29-March-2008, 06:53 AM
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And then there are those who are so religiously intolerant that they are encouraged to go somewhere else to practice their beliefs away from ordinary people.
Which is how the Puritan splinter group known in America as the Pilgrims are remembered over here.
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Rightfully so. At least, that's what a look into the history indicates to me.
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And then there are those who are so religiously intolerant that they are encouraged to go somewhere else to practice their beliefs away from ordinary people.
Which is how the Puritan splinter group known in America as the Pilgrims are remembered over here.
Yeah, you couldn't have sent some fun-loving, tolerant group to form the basis of American society? Thanks a lot!
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Yeah, you couldn't have sent some fun-loving, tolerant group to form the basis of American society? Thanks a lot!
yeah, they could have, but then we'd probably still be stopping everything 4 times a day to drink tea and we'd still have that funny accent.
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Yeah, you couldn't have sent some fun-loving, tolerant group to form the basis of American society? Thanks a lot!
Of course not, that's the kind of people we want to stay.

Actually I think that's likely to be a problem with almost every place mainly populated through emigration, it's going to be filled with people who for various reasons couldn't make it at home.
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Actually I think that's likely to be a problem with almost every place mainly populated through emigration, it's going to be filled with people who for various reasons couldn't make it at home.
Which includes those who are adventurous and get bored with settled life. "Not making it" isn't always a sign of failure, just a poor fit with your circumstances.
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Ok, forget all the "FTL is impossible!!!' naysayers and just focus on this issue:

We have functional star travel, we find other worlds out there ripe for the taking.

Now, why would we go to the stars?
"The meek shall inherit the Earth when the strong move on to the stars"

What better way of shedding the dead weight of freeloaders, hangers on, and degenerate charity cases than coming up with a future that relies totally on rugged individualism, sheer determination, and an absolute commitment to building a future for yourself without someone handing it to you?

A neocolonial period would do wonders to save humanity from the hand to mouth, nannystatists that are slowly choking the drive to succeed and overcome that once defined the best in us (and sometimes, the worst).
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"The meek shall inherit the Earth when the strong move on to the stars"

What better way of shedding the dead weight of freeloaders, hangers on, and degenerate charity cases than coming up with a future that relies totally on rugged individualism, sheer determination, and an absolute commitment to building a future for yourself without someone handing it to you?

A neocolonial period would do wonders to save humanity from the hand to mouth, nannystatists that are slowly choking the drive to succeed and overcome that once defined the best in us (and sometimes, the worst).
I don't think "rugged individualism" is going to fly in space. To survive there, cooperative efforts are absolutely essential. It's not like one can just wander off into the bush and hunt or trap for the pot. Every act of survival under space conditions will require groups of people acting in concert. Establishing an infrastructure of mining and manufacturing, building habitats, establishing and maintaining life support, growing food, all team efforts.
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Which includes those who are adventurous and get bored with settled life. "Not making it" isn't always a sign of failure, just a poor fit with your circumstances.
Or they might already have a comfortable life at home, but still find even better conditions elsewhere.
That's enough reason for many scientists to emigrate to the US.
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I don't think "rugged individualism" is going to fly in space. To survive there, cooperative efforts are absolutely essential. It's not like one can just wander off into the bush and hunt or trap for the pot. Every act of survival under space conditions will require groups of people acting in concert. Establishing an infrastructure of mining and manufacturing, building habitats, establishing and maintaining life support, growing food, all team efforts.
Rugged individualism doesn't necessarily imply divorcing oneself entirely from the species, mind you. Its about being a self starter with enough drive to be self reliant to the limits of one's ability before asking for help. There are things in life that are simply not possible for the individual, but there's a lot that are. The key is keeping the list of things you can do alone as long as possible, so you're not an excessive burden on others.
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Rugged individualism doesn't necessarily imply divorcing oneself entirely from the species, mind you. Its about being a self starter with enough drive to be self reliant to the limits of one's ability before asking for help. There are things in life that are simply not possible for the individual, but there's a lot that are. The key is keeping the list of things you can do alone as long as possible, so you're not an excessive burden on others.
Touche! I see your point. Yes, I guess maybe the initial stages of colonization*-- when we get to that point, whenever that is-- will require highly skilled (and many-skilled) individuals with a self-confident attitude.

*Or more accurately, preparation for colonization; the early semi-"settlers" who go up to build the first infrastructures for creating the larger and more permanent habitats, but don't have kids in space or live there. Once the habitats are built, only the skills to maintain them are needed-- still many and various, but not quite so daunting.
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Re: Why would we go to the stars?


Wy would did our ancestors come to America?
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