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Old 03-April-2008, 04:12 AM
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Default A Question About Heroin Addicts.

A friend of mine went through the Katrina/New Orleans thing and stayed and says that one of the things that happened was as the local supplies dried up the hard core heroin addicts started turning up dead as they couldn't get out and heroin couldn't get in. He tended bar on Bourbon Street.

As I've heard of this before I have to ask. Can anyone explain the mechanism of death that kills hardcore addicts suddenly cut off?
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Old 03-April-2008, 04:32 AM
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There are a number of unpleasant heroin withdrawal symptoms, but AFAIK death is not a direct result. Are you sure you haven't heard an urban legend?

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Old 03-April-2008, 04:36 AM
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National Institute of Drug Abuse: NIDA InfoFacts: Heroin

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Sudden withdrawal by heavily dependent users who are in poor health is occasionally fatal, although heroin withdrawal is considered less dangerous than alcohol or barbiturate withdrawal.
Maybe all the Katrina death-by-withdrawal cases are being lumped under heroin.

As for the mechanism, I'd expect it's just the fact of physical addiction, that the drug becomes required to stave off bad effects of addiction. When the drug isn't available, the lack ravages the body, sometimes fatally.

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Withdrawal is a more serious medical issue for some substances than for others. While nicotine withdrawal, for instance, is usually managed without medical intervention, attempting to give up a benzodiazepine or alcohol dependency can result in seizures and worse if not carried out properly. An instantaneous full stop to a long, constant alcohol use can lead to delirium tremens, which may be fatal.
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Not sure about Heroin in particular, though I remember learning that it is one of the few drugs where withdrawal itself can kill, but for general mechanisms for death by withdrawal, I can think of several.
If a drug affecting heart rate is taken for a while the rate becomes normal while the drug is present, and goes the other way when removed. Increasing the dosage over time means the heart rate has time to normalize.
With a quick withdrawal, the swing back might cause cardiac arrest.

Ditto blood pressure, take a drug that cause increased blood pressure in increasing doses slow enough for the body to adapt and you can go into shock when the drug is removed.
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Can anyone explain the mechanism of death that kills hardcore addicts suddenly cut off?
As others have said, heroin withdrawal makes you feel like you're dying, but it very rarely kills anyone.
You can get an increase in blood pressure and heart rate, and you can also get diarrhoea that leads to dehydration and low blood pressure. Either of those might be dangerous in someone with cardiac disease. But heroin addicts aren't a population known for their high cardiac risk status.

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It is also possible that some opportunist saw an opportunity to make a quick buck by selling fake heroin (warfarin and powdered cleaning scourers are both used and are even worse for your health than heroin).
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But in Germany, heroin addicts are/were being given syringes of opiate antagonist to deal (!) with the occasional accidental overdose. See: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/...urcetype=HWCIT

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.... and being shot or slugged while out trying to score heroin is not an uncommon death for addicts in such situations. Heroin is thus not the direct result, but a secondary cause!!
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